Engineered Helplessness

Out here in California, radio adds are reporting that our state ranks 47th in school funding and goes on to talk about what “we” need to do to resolve the problem.

Easy…find out who profited wildly by opening the flood gates on legal immigration (I’m so sorry, the acceptable term now is undocumented worker) and send him the bill for the 20% of students that are utilizing the public education system without paying a penny for it.

“We” have zero interest in resolving the problem as “we” didn’t mastermind it or benefit from it.

Now, now, 'Reven. They're just here to send their children to schools that Americans won't send their children to. Plus, it's all gonna be fixed by the welfare IOU's going out.

Here in New York, our governator (whom no one voted for) is telling us we all have to pitch in and do our share to turn around the states' financial mess. Excuse me governor Patterson, I never once voted for all the pork that went to NYC.Perhaps you should be addressing the state assemblymen and the state senators who spent wildly with no regard for the taxpayers. I feel your pain....

I'm assuming you meant "illegal immigration". The gates for legal immigrants are anything but open.

Keith wrote: I'm assuming you meant "illegal immigration". The gates for legal immigrants are anything but open.

Besides, leagal immigrants pay taxes.

Sorry about that…of course I intended to say illegal.

BTW…3,000 people leave California each day and you know the demographics aren’t comparable to the general populace but rather are comprised of people that pay horrendous taxes with little in return.

RX Reven' wrote: Sorry about that…of course I intended to say illegal. BTW…3,000 people leave California each day and you know the demographics aren’t comparable to the general populace but rather are comprised of people that pay horrendous taxes with little in return.

I always wondered what the number was, is the one above tempered with inflix of the undocumented or is it not effecting the 3000#.

The wife and I are seriously thinking of leaving for Indiana of al places as the cost of living is ~1/5 what we pay here baised because of house costs and tax rates.

If it makes you feel any better, I live in/near 2 or 3 of the states that rank near the bottom when it comes to funding schools....and it shows.

The local government: city (Memphis) and county, have tried to get the school system to give an accounting of where the money is going and where cuts can be made. So far, all we've had are newspaper stories of fraud and abuse when it comes to spending the money...sort of after the fact. Example? Due to improper storage/labeling, a couple MILLION dollars worth of food used to make school lunches had to be disposed of. (Some spoiled, some was held frozen too long) Another example? Due to a lck of strict inventory control, dozens? hundreds? of laptop computers that were purchased for school computer labs have either "disappeared" or are too damaged to be used.

School FUNDING isn't nearly the problem that fund MANAGEMENT is.

wearymicrobe wrote: I always wondered what the number was, is the one above tempered with inflix of the undocumented or is it not effecting the 3000#.

With the recent tightening of the boarders, I don't believe there is much of any influx at this point.

aircooled wrote:

wearymicrobe wrote: I always wondered what the number was, is the one above tempered with inflix of the undocumented or is it not effecting the 3000#.

With the recent tightening of the boarders, I don't believe there is much of any influx at this point.

I live "ON" the border, like I can see it from the hill next to my house. There has been little to no decrease in the trafficking that I can see.

Tightening the boarders now is analogous to building a dam across two bodies of water that have reached a state of equilibrium.

Right, money fixes everything. If your state doesn't spend a lot of money on education, it must not be a good state.

Don't go looking at scholastic results, just focus on spending more tax dollars

Money spent does not equal a good education.

Baltimore spends a bunch, those city schools must excellent because of it.

In the most recent election, (yet another) request for more money by the schools was turned down simply because nobody believes it will go towards education. The board is in love with buildings and doesn't believe in teachers. So the board isn't getting any more money until they start being a bit more accountable.

The school system is getting ripped off before the money is getting to the classroom. Have you ever seen how much money a school superintendant makes? Between the unions, consultants, and red tape it is considerable any of us californians can read. If the kids are already here it is a lot cheaper in the long run to educate them than to ensure we have another generation of unskilled labor. As far as bad feeling towards immigration, we need them more than they need us. I don't know where you are at but without immigrants nothing here in the SF bay area would get done. Every other day when I go to home depot or the dump or OSH, guess who is out there working? It ain't whitey!

This brings me to an observation my dad made after we got our roof done, he said, "son, in my day we used to have 15 alcoholics on a roofing job, but nowadays the same work is done by 5 mexicans." That is why we need immigration, for we were all once immigrants.

Hi Benzbaron,

“If the kids are already here it is a lot cheaper in the long run to educate them than to ensure we have another generation of unskilled labor.”

Whether or not that is true can be debated but in either case, please realize that you’re playing right into the “Engineered Helplessness” scheme.

“We need them more than they need us”

If that were true, why wouldn’t we immediately enact laws so everything could be done out in the open with an accurate accounting of all the benefits and costs.

I’m a Process Engineer and in Industrial Engineering lingo, our current practice of decoupling our laws from our actions creates something known as a “Hidden Factory”.

It is not possible to perform an objective, quantifiable assessment of the impact illegal aligns are having so long as we’ve got a Hidden Factory in place. However, the presence of the Hidden Factory itself is a proof that we’re being sold down the river.

alfadriver wrote: Besides, leagal immigrants pay taxes.

So do illegal ones. They don't want to make waves and attract attention.