You can stay in business but only if you allocate half of your ad space to showing people how horrible what you have to offer is.
I can't wait to see this concept applied to the 2012 re-election campaign ads.
You can stay in business but only if you allocate half of your ad space to showing people how horrible what you have to offer is.
I can't wait to see this concept applied to the 2012 re-election campaign ads.
Do they have 'Class B Cigarettes'?
Canada had this for a while now. Did it work?
not sure on class B cigarettes.. but I have seen meat that is WAY less than class A. I have seen "Class E but edible"
As for Cigs.. I find them to be a nasty habit and have broken it off with every girl I was interested in who smoked. I am not going to get all high and mighty and preach.. but I do wish cigarettes would quietly just go away
Yup, that'll stop em.... 
They should probably consider the same thing for fast food burgers and ice cream etc. "if you are a fat F%&K, this will kill you, don't be an a##hole!"
Also, considering the number of deaths, and the chances of death, there should be at least a 5 ft by 5 ft on vinyl sticker on every new car. "This can kill you, to DEATH!!!"
Is this what they are all talking about? 'Cause I kinda like this ad.
Cigarette Manufacturers Sue New York over Anti-Smoking Ads
The first time I saw the news, I heard Dennis Leary in my head saying this:
"There's a guy, I don't know if you've heard about this guy, he's been in the news a lot lately. There's a guy, he's English -I don't know if we should hold that against him- but apparently this is his life's dream cause he's going country to country, he has a senate hearing coming up in the next few weeks, and this is what he wants to do: He wants to make the warnings on the packs bigger! Yeah, he wants the whole front of the pack to be one big warning like the problem is that we just haven't noticed yet.
Like he's gonna get his way and all of a sudden smoker's around the world will be like, 'Yeah Bill, I've got some cigarettes -HOLY E36 M3 These things are bad for you? I thought they were good for you. I thought they vitamin C in them and stuff.'
You dolt, it doesn't matter how big the warnings are. You could have cigarettes that were called warnings. You could have cigarettes that came in a black pack, with a skull and crossbones in the front, and called TUMORS, and smokers would be lining up around the block, going 'I can't wait to get my hands on these things.'"
-Rob
In reply to rob_lewis:
It's like he's in my head doing my inner monologue.
Why don't they do something similar with alcohol warnings. They could have pictures of drunk out of control naked chicks on the bottle. That would stop dudes from drinking for sure...out of a sense of responsibility...right?
Otto Maddox wrote: Why don't they do something similar with alcohol warnings. They could have pictures of drunk out of control naked chicks on the bottle. That would stop dudes from drinking for sure...out of a sense of responsibility...right?
Sorry, what were we talking about? I just had a beer and was thinking about drunk naked chicks 
All I can say is that the pic of the guy's throat with smoke coming out of the hole is going to sell a lot of cigs to a lot of young people.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Is this what they are all talking about? 'Cause I kinda like this ad. Cigarette Manufacturers Sue New York over Anti-Smoking Ads
Makes me want to start smoking.
I wish the do gooders would stop wasting money on all this crap. There's better things that could be done with it.
As a smoker, I already didn't smoke around people who didn't, so smoking bans are a retarded concept to me.
I just don't understand why there are so many people telling us how to live in this free country....[/rant]
Btw, im not praising smoking, simply pointing out the freedom of choice
ansonivan wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Is this what they are all talking about? 'Cause I kinda like this ad. Cigarette Manufacturers Sue New York over Anti-Smoking AdsMakes me want to start smoking.
Um, do you want to rephrase that?
The tougher it is to smoke and the more it's beaten into your head that it's not cool & the more that realize it's downright dangerous, the fewer will smoke.
Smoking is idiotic, plain and simple. As long as you smoke under a bell jar and consume every last bit of the stink then I'll consider it your right to kill yourself but don't get that smell anywhere near me, my clothes or my food. Also you shouldn't allowed to taint the insurance pool by being able to get insurance.
rob_lewis wrote: The first time I saw the news, I heard Dennis Leary in my head saying this: "There's a guy, I don't know if you've heard about this guy, he's been in the news a lot lately. There's a guy, he's English -I don't know if we should hold that against him- but apparently this is his life's dream cause he's going country to country, he has a senate hearing coming up in the next few weeks, and this is what he wants to do: He wants to make the warnings on the packs bigger! Yeah, he wants the whole front of the pack to be one big warning like the problem is that we just haven't noticed yet. Like he's gonna get his way and all of a sudden smoker's around the world will be like, 'Yeah Bill, I've got some cigarettes -HOLY E36 M3 These things are bad for you? I thought they were good for you. I thought they vitamin C in them and stuff.' You dolt, it doesn't matter how big the warnings are. You could have cigarettes that were called warnings. You could have cigarettes that came in a black pack, with a skull and crossbones in the front, and called TUMORS, and smokers would be lining up around the block, going 'I can't wait to get my hands on these things.'" -Rob
Same thing went through my mind when I saw the title of the thread.
As for those who'd like to see smoking outlawed consider just how much money both state and federal governments collect in taxes and realize they will never give up that cash cow.
The smell of exhaust smoke really bothers me too, lets outlaw cars and/or all drive electric.
carguy123 wrote: The tougher it is to smoke and the more it's beaten into your head that it's not cool & the more that realize it's downright dangerous, the fewer will smoke. Smoking is idiotic, plain and simple. As long as you smoke under a bell jar and consume every last bit of the stink then I'll consider it your right to kill yourself but don't get that smell anywhere near me, my clothes or my food. Also you shouldn't allowed to taint the insurance pool by being able to get insurance.
And motorsports activities are inherently dangerous so by risking yourself in those you shouldn't be allowed to taint the insurance pool either. Its a very slippery slope and smokers already pay increased premiums because of it. Do you really want to have all your risky activities analyzed and your insurability denied for it? You live in TX...too much sun, high risk of skin cancer, no insurance for you!
I still smoke. I know it's bad. I do my best to keep away from non-smokers, because they're right.
OTOH, for anyone as addicted as m'self, (surely the last people in this country who still smoke) it won't work. I already know. My own teeth are actually worse than the ones in the "teeth" warning, even though I don't have any blisters yet.
And really..there's nothing in that packaging that can't be fixed with a good old fashioned cigarette case. I'm shopping for one right now..I've got one from the 1930s laying around in all my junk, but gave up restoring it because it was a PITA to get the self-contained lighter working again.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=antique+cigarette+cases
Does the FDA really want the few of us who still smoke to make it appear more glamorous, like a 1940's film?
There's quite a difference between a dangerous drug and motorsports, the sun, food, etc.
Cigarettes KILL, plain and simple. You can not eat the proper foods, buckle up, wear a helmet, take safe driving courses, etc. etc. but there is no way to not have cigarettes to do damage other than not to smoke them AND NEVER HAVE A CIGARETTE SMOKER NEAR YOU, which is the hard part. Cigarette smokers don't just endanger their lives, but they endanger the lives of everyone around them. 2nd hand smoke kills.
Other than lobby money there's no reason cigarettes are still allowed to be sold.
carguy123 wrote: There's quite a difference between a dangerous drug and motorsports, the sun, food, etc. Cigarettes KILL, plain and simple. You can not eat the proper foods, buckle up, wear a helmet, take safe driving courses, etc. etc. but there is no way to not have cigarettes to do damage other than not to smoke them AND NEVER HAVE A CIGARETTE SMOKER NEAR YOU, which is the hard part. Cigarette smokers don't just endanger their lives, but they endanger the lives of everyone around them. 2nd hand smoke kills. Other than lobby money there's no reason cigarettes are still allowed to be sold.
Not lobby money tax money, plain and simple, over 1/2 the cost of a pack of cigarettes is tax money, the government is not giving up that cash cow.
Eating improperly, taking risks while driving, etc can all be just as dangerous. Exhaust smoke and hundreds of other carcinogens are out there every day but you cant pin those on one person so it makes it an easy target. Hell there was just a study released that says that the amount of sitting that americans do behind a desk, on the sofa, etc is as dangerous as smoking http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/06/08/healthwatch-sitting-vs-smoking/
Bottom line, smokers have been banished outdoors, they aren't polluting your air any more than cars or any other pollutants, people take risks with their health every day. Smoking kills, no kidding, so do 1000 other things, 2nd hand smoke kills but in today's environment you should only be exposed to 2nd hand smoke if you allow yourself to be because the majority of the world is smoke free. If you are still having a problem with 2nd hand smoke then what situations are you putting yourself in that are unavoidable? Why are you taking that risk?
There was a time when smoking and 2nd hand smoke was thrust upon the unwitting, that time has passed. If you still find yourself in these situations it is only because you allow it. I will sympathize with anyone having an unhealthy environment thrust upon them but not if they have the opportunity to avoid it and think others should cater to them because they choose not to avoid it. Likewise I will not condemn smokers for their "burden" on the healthcare system until we equally target people who are overweight by choice, and who take other unnecessary risks with their health.
For me, I'd much rather worry about how I live than how I'll die, I can only control one of those.
carguy123 wrote: There's quite a difference between a dangerous drug and motorsports, the sun, food, etc.
Dude, I'm not saying you're wrong. I had hoped that the way I worded my post, that you'd actually see that I agree with you. Cig prices will go up, now that companies have to print the images..but those of us who are still addicted will simply bitch & whine..and pay up. And as I mentioned..we'll simply remove the pix from our containers. Jeez, if I didn't quit when Fire Safe Cigarettes were introduced (again, IMO..a cig that won't stay lit is a defective product), I certainly won't quit over this nonsense. As I said...I already know about what it's doing to me.
I'm just trying to tell you what smokers will actually do when this waste of legislation comes out, hoping that you'll see it for the "pretend" attempt to adress the issue, rather than attempt to adress the source of the problem.
IMO, this (the new regs, not your personal opinion) reeks of folks who were never addicted to something insisting they can understand the addiction. It's a waste. What was it that Lorne Micheals said about the years he'd abdicated Saturday Night Live? "There's nothing more unfunny than people writing jokes about sex and drugs and rock & roll that have no experience with any of it.."? This legislation smacks of the same kind of misunderstanding.
I'm glad they're doing this. It'll get all the kids collecting packs for the cool packs. Seriously, I'm going to collect the set and put them away.
JThw8 wrote: . If you are still having a problem with 2nd hand smoke then what situations are you putting yourself in that are unavoidable? Why are you taking that risk?
One of the few places in NJ where you can still smoke indoors.. are some areas of the casino floors in atlantic city. This still does not stop people from smoking whereever they damn well please while in the casino..
friedgreencorrado wrote:carguy123 wrote: There's quite a difference between a dangerous drug and motorsports, the sun, food, etc.Dude, I'm not saying you're wrong. I had hoped that the way I worded my post, that you'd actually see that I agree with you. Cig prices will go up, now that companies have to print the images..but those of us who are still addicted will simply bitch & whine..and pay up. And as I mentioned..we'll simply remove the pix from our containers. Jeez, if I didn't quit when Fire Safe Cigarettes were introduced (again, IMO..a cig that won't stay lit is a defective product), I certainly won't quit over *this* nonsense. As I said...I already know about what it's doing to me. I'm just trying to tell you what smokers will actually *do* when this waste of legislation comes out, hoping that you'll see it for the "pretend" attempt to adress the issue, rather than attempt to adress the source of the problem. IMO, this (the new regs, not your personal opinion) reeks of folks who were *never* addicted to something insisting they can understand the addiction. It's a waste. What was it that Lorne Micheals said about the years he'd abdicated Saturday Night Live? "There's nothing more unfunny than people writing jokes about sex and drugs and rock & roll that have no experience with any of it.."? This legislation smacks of the same kind of misunderstanding.
^this It's all just lipservice to make you think the government cares. If they cared, they'd outlaw it, plain and simple, but the staggering amount of tax revenue generated by smoking ensures that they will never outlaw it. I remember when I was in the military and they still didn't tax cigarettes, I was able to buy my father his cartons of name brands for $5 instead of the $30 he was paying, so even back then (havent seen $30 cartons in a long time) 5/6ths of the price of smokes was nothing but tax. Raising the prices hasn't discouraged anything, all the warnings in the world won't discourage anything. Heck the warnings weren't even enough to save the cigarette companies from lawsuits from people who claimed they didnt know it was bad. You have to live under a rock to think smoking wont kill you. Warnings won't change it, they'll just (maybe) protect the companies from lawsuits. Raising the prices won't change it. Moving smokers outdoors didn't change it. If you want smoking gone, then outlaw it and be prepared to pass the tax burden on to the non-smokers. And then prepare to have other things you enjoy outlawed in the name of your own safety or the safety of others.
mad_machine wrote:JThw8 wrote: . If you are still having a problem with 2nd hand smoke then what situations are you putting yourself in that are unavoidable? Why are you taking that risk?One of the few places in NJ where you can still smoke indoors.. are some areas of the casino floors in atlantic city. This still does not stop people from smoking whereever they damn well please while in the casino..
I'm not in charge of enforcement, and I agree it SHOULD be enforced, but that is a separate issue. But you can't blame all individuals for an inconsiderate minority. No more than I can say they should outlaw high HP cars because some people drive like idiots.
The casino issue is an interesting one. Being in NJ too I know the debate well. I personally see no reason to need to smoke indoors anywhere, but at the same time the casinos saw a distinct drop in revenue when they tried to ban smoking...so smoking came back. Just a bit more fuel to the "money wins" fire. Its all about the money.
And in reference to the part of my post which you quoted. If you are concerned with smoke then dont go in the casino. Tell the casino how you feel about it with your business. That's what the smokers did and sadly they won. I don't have to be around smokers unless I want to be.
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