Gas prices

In reply to mad_machine:

You have essentially endorsed the Fair Tax. Go here: www.fairtax.org for more information.

You're welcome.

madmallard wrote: I'm not sure what unit a 'load' of economists break down into, but i'm sure whatever that metric comes out to be, that they are BY FAR outnumbered by economists who point to out-of-control government spending as a far more serious problem than the monetary value represented by those tax cuts.

I think we got lost in the page brake. I was ask if I needed it to be explained to me again how lowering taxes would raise revenue. I responded that it could be explained all day long, but the facts no longer bear it out and provided several links to provide context. Among them a link with many quotes from primarily conservative economists. If you'd like to quantify "a load" feel free to go back a page and count them. But I hope you have some free time on your hands.

Wow !

I never though that a simple informative statement would turn intto a political debate.

Only on GRM.

iceracer wrote: Wow ! I never though that a simple informative statement would turn intto a political debate. Only on GRM.

Uuuuuh. Okay. If you say so. Completely unforeseeable that gas prices and taxes would have any political overtones.

Simple, informative statement: I'd never noticed how unattractive your children are before. Woah, can't believe you're getting so worked up over a simple, informative statement!

In reply to iceracer: Political debates are inevitable when politics affect our personal lives.

Democrats and Republicans swap the two positions on the right; we "the people" are always on the left.

In reply to mguar:

mguar wrote: That is the compromise between flat tax and the need for a nation to care for it's citizens.. Make a zillion dollars if you want but to enjoy that zillion dollars money needs to be spent.. It would put a burden on the guys who sell stuff out of their homes, ie; garage sales, Craigs list sales etc.. But with sufficient penalties in place I suspect most people would be honest. That's what needs to be critical in any tax system.. The citizens must see the system as fair..

It seems you can't be troubled to read the actual Fairtax legislation, wether as a point of research or personal curiosity.

Used goods, even houses and cars, are not taxed. Only new goods. I'll pass on the 'need to care for its citizens' bit for now...

mguar wrote: Well infants dying isn't because daddy didn't exercise, It's because our hospitals are not keeping up with the rest of the world..

You should really let go of the infant mortality rate as being an even partly credible point of reference. Many of those so-called industrialised first world European nations with socialised health care DRAMATICALLY futz with the definition of infant death.

The USA follows the World Health Organisation standards for infant mortality. Germany doesn't. UK doesnt. Francy and Italy, Belgium and Austria, dont.

Examples: Germany and France register any born child that weighs less than 500 grams, despite if its alive outside of the womb and crying, as a stillborn. Many other countries have similar mass-related qualifications. Russia declares stillborn for up to 7 days after the child passes the birth canal but dies anyways.

Many nations futz with these figures to shift the death away from infant mortality into young child mortality rates, or stillborn rates. It makes for an intellectually unviable comparison with the USA when they won't release firm figures classifiable on the same field that we play on.

mguar wrote: The basics Food, clothing, and shelter vary tremendously based on your life style. I doubt Bill Gates uses 1/10th of 1% of his annual income for those. Yet many working families it's 75% to 100% or more.. A single Mother with two children spends $20,000 spends all $20,000.. She and her kids eat the cheapest food they can, wear the least expensive clothes they can and live in a cheap(high crime, unsafe neighborhood) Right now she's not paying taxes. But Bill Gates is paying $23,000 a year taxes . With a flat sales tax Bill Gates doesn't pay anymore, But Mom has to pay out $4600 (or live on $4600 less)

under the Fairtax, the poverty level of spending isn't taxed for either of them. Right now the poverty levels of income set by the federal government make it so that she would essentially be paying no income tax with her 2 child household declaration on her returns.

Under the Fairtax, she would still declare a household of 2 children, and her poverty level of spending would be different than someone with no children. The Fairtax wouldn't change the standard of qualification for poverty level hardship, merely shift its management from income to spending instead.

... i really wish you would read it.... :(

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

iceracer wrote: Wow ! I never though that a simple informative statement would turn intto a political debate. Only on GRM.

Uuuuuh. Okay. If you say so. Completely unforeseeable that gas prices and taxes would have any political overtones. Simple, informative statement: I'd never noticed how unattractive your children are before. Woah, can't believe you're getting so worked up over a simple, informative statement!

I'm too polite to attempt a reply .

I thought they were locking threads like this? Or is it that Tom isn't around anymore, so political threads can run rampant?

It was much better around here when threads like this weren't cluttering up the place...

Like you know what he was thinking when he started this thread. He may have just been blowing off steam.

racerfink wrote: Like you know what he was thinking when he started this thread. He may have just been blowing off steam.

Yeah? Maybe I was too.

And yeah, pretty sure I do.

But I'll be the polite one. Post deleted.

Last year my company paid for the gas of student interns who were working out of a different town and had to commute 45 miles each way. When hired we had the expectation of working in the town where the university was and our apartments/houses etc but whatever, many were switched to work in a different location in the summer. This year they aren't doing that, citing the fact its not 50 miles away. I used to bike to work. Damn. 90 miles and 2 hours of driving. there goes the advantage of living in the town where you thought you were going to work.

Yea, we typically lock threads like this. So. Consider it locked.

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