maybe not …. 
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/12/winter-storm-brings-snow-severe-weather-to-middle-east/#1
maybe not ….
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/12/winter-storm-brings-snow-severe-weather-to-middle-east/#1
Guess we'll never know. 
Now, tell me about your balls...
Oh, shyte! The next ice age is coming. Crank up the coal-fired plants! We can fix this!
technically its called "global climate change" and there is no disputing that things are changing, where the argument comes in is whether or not human activity (primarily via "pollution") are causing the change or if it is just the earth continuing along the same path that its been on for about the last 2 1/2 - 3 billion years.
I am surprised that the human activity thing is still even a debate.
Some people can go ahead and take the opinions of their POLITICAL "leaders" on this. I'll listen to the 97% of SCIENTISTS that publish their beliefs on it.
In case you don't want to read the next few pages (if it gets to that):
Statement about charged topic
yes
no
YES!
NO!
You're a dick!
No you're a dick!
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In reply to fritzsch:
Yeah, just think how cold it would be now if we hadn't spent the past hundred plus years releasing all the extra CO2 into the atmosphere.
Air, you forgot "Hitler Reference"
In reply to Strizzo:
Its the earth in a continued change......the problem is people have been horribly outspoken over it(normally the ones that don't want their funding to end) and thus turn it into a charged political issue. We have evidence parts of canada were formerly a tropical region, just as we know glaciers have made it nearly to florida.....but "ZOMG, we caused this" makes me laugh.
Also, for the record, GAY HITLER SLUR!
yamaha wrote: In reply to Strizzo: Its the earth in a continued change......the problem is people have been horribly outspoken over it(normally the ones that don't want their funding to end) and thus turn it into a charged political issue. We have evidence parts of canada were formerly a tropical region, just as we know glaciers have made it nearly to florida.....but "ZOMG, we caused this" makes me laugh. Also, for the record, GAY HITLER SLUR!
oh, I know, I just wanted to point out that the fact that things are changing one way or another doesn't prove either side's point.
how about this for mind blowing: theres a valley in Colorado that the natives called "valley with two mouths" which in no way could have been carved by the small streams in it. paleo data puts it in the tropics at the time it was carved, and the U-shape plus two mouths of the valley points to it being formed by a glacier. so, glacier carved valley cut at a time that plate tectonic history puts it within 5-10 degrees of the equator. ie. "snowball earth"
you know who was like Hitler? Hitler! can you believe that!?
Strizzo wrote: technically its called "global climate change" and there is no disputing that things are changing, where the argument comes in is whether or not human activity (primarily via "pollution") are causing the change or if it is just the earth continuing along the same path that its been on for about the last 2 1/2 - 3 billion years.
I know that … I said global warming intentionally
and "global climate change" has been going on for as long as the earth has been in existence
now I'd be the last to try and claim that humans aren't exacerbating the change … but this very change was going on long before humans ever lit their first fire in the mouth of the cave
In reply to Strizzo:
I was agreeing with and extending your point.
Yep. Totally natural...
On that note- my balls are freezing right now.
Climate Change is happening, whether or not its linked to us doesn't matter. What does matter is that billions of people, trillions of dollars of industry and economic markets all live within a few feet of sea level.
Even if we say that these wildly varying weather patterns with stronger storms, lower lows and higher highs, less rain in areas once wet and more rain in areas once dry, if we say all that stuff can be dealt with because it's happened before, that's ignoring the fact that millions of years ago there were not nearly 7.13 billion people on the planet.
Even if this is a very old problem in Earth's history, it's a very new problem to humanity.
Now, back to looking at those sea level estimates to find some future beach front property.
I can't believe you guys are even debating whether the climate changes over time or not. Ever hear of the ice age? Glacier's? Sheez.
PHeller wrote: Now, back to looking at those sea level estimates to find some future beach front property.
Welcome to the Ozark Mountains. 
In reply to yamaha:
And I yours
The IPCC estimates that on the high end we'll have a 1m sea level rise by 2100.
So much for cheap future beach property...
In repsonse to Pheller:
Meh, I question their information that led to that prediction.
yamaha wrote: In repsonse to Pheller: Meh, I question their information that led to that prediction.
Why? Its not like humans have ever been wrong before. Oh wait...
Excuse me while I crack open another can of Brake Clean...
In reply to bravenrace:
I just see us as being an expendable species upon this planet......we always have been. The fools are the ones proclaiming to have mastered our enviroment.
bravenrace wrote: I can't believe you guys are even debating whether the climate changes over time or not. Ever hear of the ice age? Glacier's? Sheez.
I don't think anybody's debating whether the climate changes over time.
There are questions about cause.
There are questions about rate of change, and how quickly that rate itself is changing.
There are questions about whether or not, if we discover definitively that we are contributing significantly, that we'll do so in time to be able to abort the effects before a point where it's too late to avoid really bad effects.
But there is no question about whether or not the climate has been changing before humans got here.
There are valid points on the side of skepticism. We waste a lot of time talking about items which are beside the point.
Or was that a joke about this very point? I've lost my sense of humor on the topic, and with it went my joke-o-meter.
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