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Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
1/9/11 1:53 p.m.

GPS, I understand your 401k perspective. Personally, my pittance of a 401k (I put in only what receives matching funds from The Borg, my employer) is in the modern cyber-equivalent of your grandfather's box. It is the least-suck option I see at the present. Loose 5% through inflation (stealth tax) or lose 50% through banksters and other thieves manipulating the stock market.

We must also remember where/how money is created today. Near as I can tell, and if anyone has a better explanation I'd like to hear it, this is how money is created in the US and what is happening:

The Federal Reserve, a collection of privately owned commercial banks, loans into existence money by telling the computer "you have more 0's now." Let's say 1st Bank of Bumfuq is on the board. 1st Bank now borrows this money from the Fed at 0.1% interest and now has more "money" in it's computer. 1st Bank takes that money and buys U.S. Treasury debt (bonds). The U.S. Treasury must pay interest on this money (bonds) at 2-3%, currently, and rising. To get the money for that, you, I, iggy, little Iglet, Shim and their grandchildren must work at our little jobs and send a significant portion of the proceeds (representing our time) to the U.S. government so the government can repay the 1st Bank for money it got for almost nothing from the Fed which made the money from nothing (literally). Now, the U.S. government takes the money it received from selling the Bonds and buys worthless debt that the banks have been selling to MegaFund. MegaFund bought all this bad paper from the banks because the U.S. government said it was a sure thing that illegal aliens with no SS number would pay back a half million dollars on a 4 bedroom house in SoCal. Now that the paper is worthless, the U.S. is buying it from MegaFund with the money borrowed from 1st Bank. MegaFund now has the money and doesn't want more worthless mortgage backed securities (MBS), so MegaFund is now buying stocks instead with that money, pushing the stock market sky high. This is the first round of the money, which eventually pushes the price of everything else sky high (inflation).

So, in summary:

MegaFund: Got rid of the worthless MBS' at face value, now holds corporate stock.

1st Bank: Holds bonds from the U.S. government that will have to be paid by all of us at higher and higher interest rates, despite getting the money for practically nothing at all.

Iggy, Igget, Shim and the rest of us: We get to work our whole lives and give larger and larger amounts of our work to the government so the government can give it to 1st Bank of Bumfuq.

The part about us losing our 401k's, IRA's, etc., is to get more money available to pay 1st Bank. I think that about sums up what is happening right now. Anyone have a better grasp on this?

AngryCorvair
AngryCorvair GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
1/9/11 3:03 p.m.

nope, i think you pretty much covered it.

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
1/9/11 7:33 p.m.
SVreX wrote: Nope. You forget that you are earning money tax free on the money you paid taxes on. That's why you put it in a Roth, remember? The 401K and the IRA are both deferred. No taxes have yet been paid. In both cases, it is a deal defined by Congress, and a deal that can be redefined by Congress if they see fit. Did YOU define this agreement? Nope. They did. Just like they define tax rates, and change them if they see fit, they have defined the tax privileges related to these retirement accounts, and they can redefine the deal if they choose. If the financial position of the US government were to become truly desperate at some point and they HAD to have cash, could not borrow, and did not have sufficient revenues, don't you think they would consider a large pool of cash sitting in accounts which had a Federal tax obligation related to it?

you need to re-read my post...... I admitted I be getting "tax free" return on my Roth account...... I also pointed out that while my regular IRA and my 401k were growing tax deferred, that I would be paying taxes on the growth when I started withdrawing money from them...... as to the "agreement"... you're correct.. 'course I can pull that money out at any time (I'm over the 59 1/2 age requirement) and I promise that money would be in my hot little hands before the law could be changed.....

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
1/10/11 12:11 p.m.

Hey, they can come and steal my crippling debt. It's all I have left.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
1/10/11 7:12 p.m.

I need to get super rich...

How do I cook meth?

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
1/10/11 7:37 p.m.

Google that up, iggy. Then go down to Wally World and get the stuff.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
1/10/11 7:50 p.m.

There's probably a recipe on WikiLeaks (ba-dump ching!)

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
1/10/11 7:51 p.m.

Yeee HA...

and I thought my idea to join a green energy company.. Run it and gather as much government money as I can.. was a poor idea.

Actually, I fully believe that there are only two surefire ways to get rich. 1. Convince others that you have a surefire way to get rich and sell them a crappy book about it on an infomercial. 2. Start a church. Creflo A. Dollar is my hero.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
1/10/11 8:17 p.m.

You're missing the #1 way, here, iggy, and you're of the right party and everything. Come up with some product. If it is useful, so much the better. Then give or promise to give your federal politician (Senators are better, but even a Rep will do in a pinch) about fifty large and they will either pass a bill mandating that everyone buy your product, or give you a nice earmark for a couple mil, depending on how you want to play it. The green energy end is as good as any these days. For the children.

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
1/10/11 8:25 p.m.
Dr. Hess wrote: You're missing the #1 way, here, iggy, and you're of the right party and everything.

sorry man, but I've never been affiliated with any party.

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