Grassroots BangBang Sports: What shotgun?

I wouldn't say the pistol grip Mossberg 12 is that bad to control. At least not with #6 shot regular loads. I dunno about buck, as I haven't shot it with that. \It's kind of a "hip-shootin' style" versus careful aiming, certainly. As such, your range is not in the 50 yard region, so much as the 5 yard region.

RossD wrote: For home defense, you really should have a pump. For one reason: the sound that a pump shotgun makes when chambering a round in a dark hallway is easily heard and recognized from where the TV is being stolen from within the family room. It is one of the most recognizable sounds and any criminal will likely E36 M3 themselves and will be running or you will have a confrontation. Either way you now have a loaded weapon.

Terrible bullE36 M3 logic I see repeated a lot.

Never mind the fact that when it's go time, unless you've used that pump gun a lot, you're going to forget it's a pump and wonder why it isn't firing when you pull the trigger, but that sound tells the criminal that you've got a gun and maybe he should get his out too. And why the hell wouldn't you have that shotgun already loaded?

Plenty of good reasons to buy a pump, that isn't one of them.

In reply to Osterkraut:

But it sounds cool on TV

alex wrote: Criteria: - Home defense mainly, *maybe* the occasional deer/boar hunting excursion **if that's feasible with the same gun** - it's not a deal breaker - I like an 18" barrel for tight spaces - Ability to fit a shorter stock for the lady of the house - Ability to mount a flashlight and sling - Gas semi auto - 20 ga if that doesn't *severely* limit choices (12 ga with low-recoil rounds if it does) Recommendations?

Extra barrels are available for many of the shotguns mentioned. They change out quickly with no tools. An 18" or 20" cylinder-bore barrel with night sights would be good for defense. A 24" slug barrel with rifle sights works for deer if using slugs. 28" with interchangeable chokes and a rib for birds, rabbits, etc.

Not sure what to recommend for hogs.

With some brands, accessories abound. Tacticool is in.

Make sure you have the right plug in the magazine for the situation. Game wardens have little tolerance and no sense of humor, and they like to seize things - game, guns, cars ...

Osterkraut wrote:

RossD wrote: ... is easily heard and recognized ...

Terrible bullE36 M3 logic I see repeated a lot. Never mind the fact that when it's go time, unless you've used that pump gun a lot, you're going to forget it's a pump and wonder why it isn't firing when you pull the trigger, but that sound tells the criminal that you've got a gun and maybe he should get his out too. And why the hell wouldn't you have that shotgun already loaded? Plenty of good reasons to buy a pump, that isn't one of them.

Difference in opinion I guess. If you want to leave a round in the chamber you go ahead and leave one in there. I feel it's safer to leave the chamber open with rounds in the tube, then when someone enters my house they have the chance to be run off by a very recognizable sound. Isn't that better than surpising some stupid punk kid with a nice shotgun blast to the back of the head because they didn't hear you coming?

I'd rather give the criminal every chance to leave me alone before hurting anyone. If the criminal was just there to hurt people then I'd probably agree with you, but I believe that the majority of people unlawfully entering other people's houses are not for harming other people; they just want your stuff.

Maybe I'm naive being from rural Wisconsin.

RossD wrote:

Osterkraut wrote:

RossD wrote: ... is easily heard and recognized ...

Terrible bullE36 M3 logic I see repeated a lot. Never mind the fact that when it's go time, unless you've used that pump gun a lot, you're going to forget it's a pump and wonder why it isn't firing when you pull the trigger, but that sound tells the criminal that you've got a gun and maybe he should get his out too. And why the hell wouldn't you have that shotgun already loaded? Plenty of good reasons to buy a pump, that isn't one of them.

Difference in opinion I guess. If you want to leave a round in the chamber you go ahead and leave one in there. I feel it's safer to leave the chamber open with rounds in the tube, then when someone enters my house they have the chance to be run off by a very recognizable sound. Isn't that better than surpising some stupid punk kid with a nice shotgun blast to the back of the head because they didn't hear you coming? I'd rather give the criminal every chance to leave me alone before hurting anyone.

"4. I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels. Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint."

Source.

I'm certainly not basing MY plan of action on a noise that movies tell me is scary.

I like the pistol grip on my 12ga. Not hard to manage at all when handled correctly....for me anyway. Personally I prefer mobility, so went with the pistol grip and 18 inch barrel, but there are a lot of schools of thought on this. You should try both, several rounds through each, and see what you like best.

In reply to Osterkraut:

Your source is kind of irrelavent. He is outside at a range type setting. I wouldn't run either if I heard someone pump or shoot a shotgun at a range.

Now, if I were quitely looking through someone else's house for their electronics and I heard you cycle a round into a shotgun, I'd drop everything I was doing and high tail it out of there.

The plan is not to make noise or to shoot people, it's to get the person that is in a threatening position into a nonthreatening position either by subduing them or removing them from your surroundings. If a simple noise can accomplish this, that should be the first thing you should do. In Wisconsin, we don't have a castle law (not yet anyways), you could go to jail for shooting someone in your own house.

<img src="" /> I have always liked the Ithaca 37 with the Duckbill spreader

I have a Remington 870. It works fine, is inexpensive and has shot at birds of all sorts with choke changes and deer with a choke change or a barrel change.

Just keep in mind that if it's supposed to penetrate a human body, sheetrock isn't a challenge for it.

pilotbraden wrote: I have always liked the Ithaca 37 with the Duckbill spreader

The point is injure or kill them, not cut them in half. You're a sick, sick man.

In reply to N Sperlo:

Thank you. Seriously, the 37 is a great gun. My brother and I have our grandfather's 37 Featherweight in 20 gauge. It is a beautiful piece for upland bird hunting and Wood Ducks on small streams.

RossD wrote: In reply to Osterkraut: Your source is kind of irrelavent. He is outside at a range type setting. I wouldn't run either if I heard someone pump or shoot a shotgun at a range. Now, if I were quitely looking through someone else's house for their electronics and I heard you cycle a round into a shotgun, I'd drop everything I was doing and high tail it out of there. The plan is not to make noise or to shoot people, it's to get the person that is in a threatening position into a nonthreatening position either by subduing them or removing them from your surroundings. If a simple noise can accomplish this, that should be the first thing you should do. In Wisconsin, we don't have a castle law (not yet anyways), you could go to jail for shooting someone in your own house.

My source was mostly humor.

Now, if I were quitly looking through someone elses' house for their electronics... I'd grab MY gun and things would really escalate.

Maybe you're right your simple noise would work...but I'd never file it under a "pro" to owning a pump gun. My Browning A-5 is stupid-loud once you release the slide, should that count too?

I guess we should hire a guy to break into our respective houses, and compare.

Remington 870. I have one, it's awesome, Cops use 'em. You can get it in 12 ga or 20 ga. Very reliable, light, great pump action, can't break them.

I got this friend... He was looking out his window one night as a car pulled up. 3 guys got out. I think he knew one or two of them. He watched as one of the guys put a pistol in his belt and his jacket over it. Then they walked up the stairs to my friend's apartment. My friend was a bit concerned over all this. He took his pump gun and worked the slide, chambering a round. The guys outside heard this and according to my friend, their response was exactly has been stated.

All testosterony posturing and blatant phallic over-compensation aside, this thread has been really interesting. Prishatecha'.

But hey, isn't there a semi-auto version of the 500? Anyone?

I will also add that while from all accounts (not my own,) the Benellis are great, I've had two friends with Franchis that have complained about reliability.

500 is pump only I believe.

PS: What's especially interesting (to me) about this conversation is the idea of the criminal's intent.

When I was living in ATL, the "they just want your stuff" thing was probably true 90% of the time.

Now that I live farther north, where the "Take whatever's not bolted to the ground" mentality isn't so prevalent, I assume someone entering my house without an invitation intends to do me harm. In 10 years here, I have never locked my car, even though there's "bait" in the form of a radar detector hanging there in the window.

Mossberg 930 HD - stretch the budget just a bit. Semi-auto, reported to fire many different types of loads.

Remington 870, it has more mods than you could ever afford and is reliable.

BTW, Remington makes an "HD" round for home defense.

One thing after reading through... relying on the noise of a round being chambered is the worst idea ever, if you have a firearm and are not ready to use it, the person on the other end may have no remorse about taking it from you and using it on you. Eliminate a step, and be ready to go with a round chambered. Self defense scenarios play out much faster then any one ever accounts for, you can never know what will happen a any given time, so why not be ready for it the best you can be?

BTW the 870 is a great great gun and wont let you down, as mentioned before many many law enforcement agencies use them.

What you don't want - but what would be cool - is an Ithaca Mag 10 Roadblocker.

10 gauge magnum, two-round magazine. Designed for shooting cars and/or drivers.

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Barrel length 18.5
Total capacity 6+6+1
Weight empty 6.9lbs
Weight loaded 8.5lbs
Length 26.1"
Height 7"

If you want it dead I'm pretty sure you can kill it with this.

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