I just painted my Volvo black with black wheels. I noticed that the other Volvos were a light color so I thought I'd give black a try.
I just painted my Volvo black with black wheels. I noticed that the other Volvos were a light color so I thought I'd give black a try.
Grizz wrote:In my defense, that was less passing and more OH GOD MY BRAKES!
Should have gone with the Scandinavian flick... Citroens make good rally cars, it might have pulled it off!
I watched the playback for the HH race. The FTO does not seem significantly faster then the other cars.
It was interesting watching the point where Apex crashed though. The replay showed he tried to pass me in the turn previous to the straight running up to the sand pit chicane. I did not see this at all during the race. I was completely unaware that he was right next to me, (it looked like he might have bumped me even) in that turn, I was showing him well back at that point. Only when he came up next to me did I see him zoom up.
I also confirmed what Apex said. He got next to me and put two wheels in the grass which caused him to spin right next to me. If I had seen him more realistically I probably would have given him more room. Of course I probably also would not have given him the outside, which is where he was trying to get by.
It will be an interesting series. Apex and F40 with connection issues. Me and my fat car and its hatred of tires. Brad and Graefin, the new contenders. T$%kuba will not be fun. Hey, at least I have a weight advantage, so if any of you punks try to push me off the track, the orange SUV will no be easy to push around 
You should all fear the Clio. I ran a string of 1:34s at Trial Mountain last night. 
A couple updates:
I am thinking about running the 430 Scuderia. Mostly because she is wearing the most expensive jewelry in my garage: - $350k for a LFA's Matt Black Paint - $320k for a 599's Rosso Monza Paint - $37k in Aero - ~$10k in wheels + repaint Not to mention mods, but she is pretty...
So yea... a $1,000,000 car. 
Hey quick question.... are RM cars allowed in HH?
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: Hey quick question.... are RM cars allowed in HH?
Nope.
Easy enough, thanks!
(Was testing VWs last night, and you can't put any aero on them unless you do the RM)
Brad I have a silver 430 Scuderia with red wheels. Looks a bit like yours. I like the ROC concept with an open field of cars. Good idea.
I did around 25-30 laps at Tsukuba in the DC5 yesterday trying to get the setup right. After that, just to compare I took my Volvo out and did one lap with no changes other than adjusting the top speed and was only 0.2 seconds off my fastest DC5 lap. I figured Tskubua and Monaco the Volvo would be at an advantage due to the torque advantage over the DC5, but it was a bit disheartentng to match my best time right out of the box like that. Oh well, the DC5 does sound better.
In reply to T.J.: I really wanted to run my Integra R but no matter how hard I tried with it I could always beat my best with the Volvo. That applied to tight tracks and fast tracks. So, I know what you're up against.
BradLTL wrote: ...For aircooled, I'll allow Rufs,... ...You do not have to share your car in advance, so it will be a surprise grid (should be interesting)...
Well, not anymore...
BradLTL wrote: ...I am thinking about running the 430 Scuderia....
I have a Scuderia I like to run also, but the handling is really strange, like it has some sort of "drift a little but not a lot" suspension geometry. It's just weird. I like the way the Ford GT handles better, personally. I would try a GT40, but there is no way I am spending 10 mill on one!
Hey, maybe I will run the Yellowbird, that thing is a beast! Pure Oversteer!
What is PP? I know it's used in the game but google doesen't know what it is. I tried to run some of the seasonal series races and some designate hp and some PP. I couldn't find a conversion from one to the other and finally gave up trying to select a car. I have my units set to N.A. which USUALLY shows hp istead of PP but not always. I also found that it sometimes seems to use PP as a factor of weight. So I'm very confused and would appreciate some clarification. Update: I just googled pp to kg and found a forum on the subject on "gt planet". I sort of understand it now and why it's used instead of power/weight ratio like I'm more used to. It said the purpose is to keep the makes of cars more competitive. If anyone has any additional clarification of how to use it to make a selection I'd appreciate it.
Also, Brad, could you give those of us with lots of ignorance the step by step proceedure for using "Moonshiner's Run". I'd like to check it out.
Oh, one more thing: Please tell me what you click on to enter the Wed. night room. I can't seem to figure that one out yet either. So far I've always had to put in the room number.
Your attempts to tutor an old fart are greatly appreciated.
Graefin10 wrote: What is PP? I know it's used in the game but google doesen't know what it is. I tried to run some of the seasonal series races and some designate hp and some PP. I couldn't find a conversion from one to the other and finally gave up trying to select a car. I have my units set to N.A. which USUALLY shows hp istead of PP but not always. I also found that it sometimes seems to use PP as a factor of weight. So I'm very confused and would appreciate some clarification. Also, Brad, could you give those of us with lots of ignorance the step by step proceedure for using "Moonshiner's Run". I'd like to check it out. Oh, one more thing: Please tell me what you click on to enter the Wed. night room. I can't seem to figure that one out yet either. So far I've always had to put in the room number.
PP = Performance points. It seems to be driven only by power/weight/downforce in this game.
To run "Moonshiner's Run," click the "community" tab, go to BradLTL and there should be a little button that looks like a track. Click it, and you'll see his shared tracks.
To join the room, go to anyone you think will be in it, go down to the coffee cup (lounge), and move your cursor to the little yellow thing slightly above and to the right of the coffee cup, click it, and you'll be in. 
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
OK, I'll check that out. Thanks!
I'm not sure exactly how PP is calculated. In my experience it is not all that a reliable indicator of performance. As an example my Marcos from the SBC series is pretty close in PP to the hot hatches. Even with the Comfort Medium tires on the marcos and sport softs on the hatches. There is no comparison as far as lap times go which one has better performance. Out of HH candidates the slowest one has the highest PP - I think because it weighs the least and has a lot of power. I do not think that the PP formula takes torque into account or the shape of the power curve, so if you have a car with high power, but only at a tiny RPM range coupled with low weight it gets a high PP rating, but it easy to beat in cars with 20 PP less.
T.J. wrote: I'm not sure exactly how PP is calculated. In my experience it is not all that a reliable indicator of performance. As an example my Marcos from the SBC series is pretty close in PP to the hot hatches. Even with the Comfort Medium tires on the marcos and sport softs on the hatches. There is no comparison as far as lap times go which one has better performance. Out of HH candidates the slowest one has the highest PP - I think because it weighs the least and has a lot of power. I do not think that the PP formula takes torque into account or the shape of the power curve, so if you have a car with high power, but only at a tiny RPM range coupled with low weight it gets a high PP rating, but it easy to beat in cars with 20 PP less.
The only things that change the PP rating when you're tuning a car are weight, power, and downforce, from what i've seen.
But i agree. It's pretty useless.
Although it worked out for my HH. My highest PP car is the Clio. It's also the fastest HH i have, even though it doesn't have the most power.
It's got a PP rating of 540. (Yep. Seriously.)
Sorry I have been offline for a few days..
I thought we had decided that pretty much any FWD was allowed.
The honest eval on choosing the FTO.
I did my primary testing at Trial Mtn.
FTO was 3rd fastest. I also have a DC5 and a 207 that were faster. I will change to one of those if you want me to. The FTO was blistering at initial testing at Monza, but is very peaky and EATS tires. It is NOT fast on tighter tracks. I figure the FTO to be at a disadvantage to the other cars.
So I guess.. Can I switch if I want to?
Re. "Moonshiner's Run": I did exactly as Celica described and it offered to download the track. I clicked yes and in about 3 seconds it said "operation complete" but I still can't access the track. IIRC there was a previous post in which someone DID get to try it out. I don't think it really downloaded the track. The thing is, I want to drive the track before selecting the car to build for the event.
Any furthur suggestions?
On the subject of selecting cars for the ROC: I checked out almost all the cars I had that were rated @ 600PP or less. I got to check out cars I had been wanting to but hadn't had time. Actually, it seems that the PP rating works. I drove all cars @ "Cape Ring Perifery" and the lap times were very close for a range of cars including 4-12 cyls., and weighing from less than 700kg to well over 2000. Aircooled can have the RUFs, I can't drive them. I was surprised to find that some of the fastest cars I have fall into the category of concept cars. They are all labeled by the manufacturer, so they aren't strictly tuner cars but they're not production cars either.
BRAD: ARE CONCEPT CARS ALOWED?
Grae, I can walk you through it later if someones else doesn't first. I figured it out once, but can't tell you how to do it without doing it myself and I can't do that right now.
I've gotten closer to my sub 1:00 HH lap, but still haven't made it. 1:00.2 is my best lap, but that was with ABS on. Best real laps are also in the 1:00.x's, but a little slower. I need to quit working on trying for the perfect lap and start working on consistent laps, especially with traffic on the course. I really need to learn how to do starts. I am terrible at them. I either get crazy wheelspin or bog down...either way I lose all sorts of time right off the line and that will be a killer at Tsukuba and it's first turn.
Graefin10 wrote: BRAD: ARE CONCEPT CARS ALOWED?
How about the Nissan R390 road car? It is a 'real' street car by a major manufacturer, but only 1 or 2 were ever built, just so they could race at LeMans.
In reply to T.J.: The R390 is a great car. It's low on hp but has enough PP room to modify it quite a lot. That one definately has potential.
I was running 57s @ Tsukuba yesterday. I just couldn't believe how good the Volvo was. Later on it hit me, I had put a set of RS tires on it just for the heck of it and forgot to change them to practice HHs are great on RS tires!
T.J., when you downloaded "Moonshiner's Run" how long did it take? Like I said, it was just seconds before it flashed up the "operation complete" window. If it really did load I couldn't find out how to enter the track????
Concepts are not allowed.
Re: R390... I don't know about this one. it would be similar the 430 Scuderia in theory right? Although I suspect it has some advantages over most cars. The difference is the 430 is a road car first, the 390 is a race car first... I don't have one to test. Opinions?
I have one, but have not driven it yet so I can't comment one way or the other. It just seems to me that there is not much difference between a factory tuner car and a tuner tuner car though. Not sure where to draw the line or whether it even matters.
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