http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/17/scottish-referendum-explained-for-non-brits-video
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/17/scottish-referendum-explained-for-non-brits-video
I've just been posting my thoughts in picture form in th hotlink thread. As the Tartan Terrors say "England forever, and Scotland a wee bit longer!"
I read in the paper that polls put the yes/no votes at nearly 50/50 with 97% of voting age people registered. Either way it goes there are going to be a lot of pissed off people.
At least its a clear vote. Yes, or no- Unlike the last Quebec one, which was something along the lines of, "Do you guys want to keep using Canadian money and get equalization payments and stuff but continue to not really belong to the country but whine a lot when they make us do nasty stuff like pay our taxes or follow anti discrimination laws or let people put an English language sign up or not?"
Anybody that thinks the a winning Yes vote won't involve decades of bullE36 M3 is dreaming, too.
Independence is one of those things that looks great on paper, but would cause real hardship for most of the citizens of Scotland in the short term.
It's sort of like being a mountain climber. Many people love the idea of being a mountain climber, very few people do it when they realize the actual challenge and comment needed.
Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder. Ain't nobody want to pick up no heavy ass weight. 
We just need a referendum asking the REST of Canada whether we want Quebec or not.
I haven't talked to a single person in the Republic of Western Canada who says "gee whiz, those frenchies sure are a lot of fun to have around, I sure hope they stay part of Canadia"
I don't think Scotland has quite the same problem.
Streetwiseguy wrote: At least its a clear vote. Yes, or no- Unlike the last Quebec one, which was something along the lines of, "Do you guys want to keep using Canadian money and get equalization payments and stuff but continue to not really belong to the country but whine a lot when they make us do nasty stuff like pay our taxes or follow anti discrimination laws or let people put an English language sign up or not?" Anybody that thinks the a winning Yes vote won't involve decades of bullE36 M3 is dreaming, too.
EastCoastMojo wrote: Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder. Ain't nobody want to pick up no heavy ass weight.
My son does the BEST Ronnie Coleman impersonation!
They voted no so no need to continue the thread. Look at the time I just saved you all!
From what I understand, if it's not Scottish, it's crap.
The_Jed wrote: Either way it goes there are going to be a lot of pissed off people.
I used to work with a Scottish guy...who was from Mississippi. Talk about an interesting mashup of accents. 
Trans_Maro wrote: We just need a referendum asking the REST of Canada whether we want Quebec or not. I haven't talked to a single person in the Republic of Western Canada who says "gee whiz, those frenchies sure are a lot of fun to have around, I sure hope they stay part of Canadia" I don't think Scotland has quite the same problem.Streetwiseguy wrote: At least its a clear vote. Yes, or no- Unlike the last Quebec one, which was something along the lines of, "Do you guys want to keep using Canadian money and get equalization payments and stuff but continue to not really belong to the country but whine a lot when they make us do nasty stuff like pay our taxes or follow anti discrimination laws or let people put an English language sign up or not?" Anybody that thinks the a winning Yes vote won't involve decades of bullE36 M3 is dreaming, too.
I have never understood why a referendum to kick Quebec out has never been taken...even if just to let them know that they are not really wanted.When you consider that the province is pretty much an ungrateful charity case for the rest of the country, I can see people getting behind this!
No this time, but now that it has come up, it will come up again. This won't be the end of it.
Oh well, it would've been interesting to see how it played out. The over 55 crowd voted in big numbers to stay with the U.K. I suppose I can see that it is hard to vote to end your own gravy train. The younger folks seemed to vote for freedom. Neon has it right, that this is not over and there will be more. Give it a few years.
Nae wor' the tribble...
this has come up multiple times in the past … not sure if it's reached the referendum stage (i.e. vote by the people), but it has failed every time … this being the closest
I think this has put it too bed for the next 100 years. They stacked the deck as far as they could to get a 'yes we're out' vote by allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote. Massive turn out and a resounding 55:45 vote to stay in. That's 20% more people voted to stay than leave. Not even close really.
This is a cut and past from an e-mail to a friend when we were discussing it the day before the vote.
Nationalism is an interesting thing. I am relatively unusual but no where near unique in that I am a Citizen of two countries and proud of both. I am a Citizen of the 'United States of America' by choice, and a Citizen of the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' by birth. Note the 'Untied Kingdom' bit in there. How would you feel if Texas held an actual vote to succeed from the Nation? I doubt you'd be happy about it. There has always been a vocal minority calling for Independence from the Union, but Texas legally joined in 1845 by their own free will.
Well in 1567 King James the VI of Scotland inherited the throne of England from his second cousin the late Queen Elizabeth I to become King James I of England. From then on Scotland and England were two separate countries but with a common monarch (Like the UK, Canada and Australia are today). In 1707 the 'Acts of Union' were signed joining the two previously separate countries into one new Country 'the United Kingdom' These two previously separate States were now a single country with a single legislators. But as you can see, you could argue that it was a Scottish lead the joining. BTW the vote in Scottish Parliament to ratify the Union was 106 to 69 so overwhelming support back then. It wasn't until 1997 that there was a referendum an Scotland regained an independent Parliament, although still as part of the 'United Kingdom' To my mind think of that as a State legislator.
So, as far as I am concerned we a re a single country and should remain that way. Also, unlike if Texas succeed I don't think Scotland could survive on it's own. Texas was broke and in massive debt when it joined the Union, but since the discovery of oil and the invention of air conditioning that makes it a more habitable place, it's now a relative economic powerhouse. Not so for Scotland, it does have North Sea Oil, but it could be argued that that belongs to the Queen, who would still be the Monarch even with a yes vote. But I don't think it can stand on it's own.
This Orangeman will remain silent on all matters of colonies leaving the crown.
In reply to pinchvalve:
If you're an Orangeman, the surely your defending the rule of the Monarchy over the territories?
My peeps left Scotland around the 1680s for the new country, so I really didn't care.
In reply to spitfirebill: Pfft! Newcomer, my forefathers got here in 1620. 
KyAllroad wrote: In reply to spitfirebill: Pfft! Newcomer, my forefathers got here in 1620.
pah, johnny-come-lately. While I'm fresh meat off the boat. My wife's family, Tourtellotte came here in the late sixtenth century, long before those Mayflower wannabee's. They were Huguenot refugees who came over to be trappers.
I hear that most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare.
You know, Scotland has its own martial arts. Yeah, it's called berkeley You. It's mostly just head butting and then kicking people when they're on the ground.
Just saw this. I LOL'd
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