In reply to Appleseed :
In reply to Appleseed :
I like my HOA. It keeps my property value up and dosent really bother me.
Has anyone read that article? There is not a single mention of an HOA.
HOA stands for “Home Owner’s Association”. There are no home owners there- it’s rental apartments.
The property is privately owned, and they are welcome to be as big a dick as they choose. Tenants are welcome to choose to not live there, and to trash the place on FaceBook, or whatever.
Perhaps the only thing left to say is “Hitler”.
So, can you buy a house in a HOA, and just not sign the HOA agreement? I assume that's something forced upon you at closing?
Or ya know, sign it "Rusty Shackleford?"
z31maniac said:If they weren't forced to move there, I don't see the problem.
If you don't read the rules of the HOA, then retroactively have an issue, I don't see the problem.
If you don't want to deal with an HOA, then don't move into a community with an HOA.
This is not quantum physics.
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This, and I'll add a corollary. Most HOAs or apartment complexes or whatever will let some stuff slide as long as you're not really abusing the rules and/or being a complete shiny happy person. If you generally get along with your neighbors and aren't a PITA, you can get away with small violations for a reasonable period of time. The rules are there as a tool to use against the ones who are really pushing things or are otherwise just unpleasant neighbors.
Having said all that, I have never and will never live in a place where other people are allowed to tell me what I can and can't do on my property, within legal limits of course.
In reply to bigdaddylee82 :
No. It is a legally binding agreement you are required to sign when you buy a house covered by a HOA.
Many of them are pretty open ended as well. Not only do you have to follow the rules as written, you have to follow any additional rules decided on by the HOA.
Personally I would never buy a house in a HOA neighborhood. Most town ordnances do a find job of covering the same stuff without being dicks about it.
bigdaddylee82 said:So, can you buy a house in a HOA, and just not sign the HOA agreement? I assume that's something forced upon you at closing?
Sort of.
You buy a house that has COVENANTS attached to the deed. The covenants are a legally binding contract, and generally give authority to an HOA to enforce.
The covenants can generally only be changed with a majority of the property owners agreement.
Sometimes joining the HOA is optional. But if you are not a member, you will not have any say in the governance of the HOA.
The HOA enforces the covenants. That’s the sticky part. If the covenants say the HOA can choose paint colors, they can. If the covenants say the HOA has the authority to change the rules, they can.
But most covenants do not give the HOA the right to change the rules without a majority vote of the property owners.
However, few property owners know therir rights, and many HOAs over reach their authority. In other words, if the covenants do not say the HOA can choose paint colors, but they do, you don’t have to do it, but you may have to fight for your rights in court.
You are legally bound to the deed covenants, not the Home Owner Association agreement.
So read your covenants before you buy.
Toyman01 said:In reply to bigdaddylee82 :
No. It is a legally binding agreement you are required to sign when you buy a house covered by a HOA.
Many of them are pretty open ended as well. Not only do you have to follow the rules as written, you have to follow any additional rules decided on by the HOA.
Personally I would never buy a house in a HOA neighborhood. Most town ordnances do a find job of covering the same stuff without being dicks about it.
This is not correct. See my above post.
In Irvine California , you can only part in you garage at night , not in your driveway or on the street.....
And of course you garage door mush be down !
Lots of other rules for house paint color etc
spitfirebill said:ShawnG said:Four days into the new year and we have an HOA thread already?
Must be a record.
Now we just need Hitler.
Did you hear about the new Hitler run HOA?
I had to do it
stanger_missle said:In reply to Appleseed :
What did i ever do to you to deserve looking at such a hideous car?!?!?!?!?!
And somehow....they look even worse in person
I got a letter from the HOA telling me I had to remove my trailer. The rule is very clear, but hasn't been enforced for the 19 years I've lived here and I'm not the only culprit. I moved the trailer to a local storage facility and watched the neighbours. Then I phoned the president and asked who had done the inspections. Why, the VP and two others did it. At this point in the conversation I pointed out that I could see the VP's trailer in her backyard from my house. I also told him my trailer would be brought home if I saw other's not following the rule. The VP's trailer has disappeared.
The0retical said:In reply to mtn :
That's the issue I had with this story. What constitutes presentable hasn't been outlined by the news outlets, or the apartment in their defense, which leads me to believe there is no actual definition in the contract either.
I would put money on it being the apartment complex using this to get rid of bad or behind payment tenants faster then anything about the actual look of the car.
I was sawzalling a car into bits small enough to fit into my pickup bed today in my yard.
A neighbor's chicken came over and said "Hullo".
Another neighbor was target practicing.
I think we're the bizzarro HOA neighborhood.
Ok so getting away from the Schlickgruber references. It's an apartment complex. Yes HOAs suck by most accounts and I'd never live in one unless it was really ritzy and I was all sorts of posh with Hollyweird/Supermodel neighbors to brag about. Apartment complexes can be real scary no go unless there's a body to be picked up area for the Nash Bridges and EMS.
Just drove by Sursum Corda off North Capitol St a few nights ago and it has finally been leveled. MPD were not allowed to go in w/o backup. My former roommate and his partner never cared about that but it was policy. That apartment complex was horrible run by the SJWs in the RC Church. They thought that they were doing good. They were making it worse. Tough love sucks yes but I've lived in a small building with riff-raff and overcrowding and it blow balls. These owners are protecting what may be incredibly small profit margins it's unlikely they rise to the level of HOA inanity. 
I'm betting the people who live there have limited options on where to live, based on budget. It's easier to bully people who don't have lots of options.
I'm still curious about the ability to get on the board, engage residents, etc.
I suspect the reason I have no answer is because the few complaining about the HOA's they agreed to, haven't done their due diligence. I understand it sucks to admit your wrong, it's not hard though.
I have to admit I'm wrong all the time. 
SVreX said:Has anyone read that article? There is not a single mention of an HOA.
Perhaps the only thing left to say is “Hitler”.
TL:DR. I withdraw my Hitler reference.
When I moved early last year I was complimented on my old, beat up, rusty F150 that couldn't fit in the garage. I knew I had picked the right place.
In reply to Sine_Qua_Non :
The heat pump and A/C unit next door are out of plumb!
Better bring it up at the next HOA meeting!
ShawnG said:In reply to Sine_Qua_Non :
The heat pump and A/C unit next door are out of plumb!
Better bring it up at the next HOA meeting!
Funny, that was the first thing I noticed, too.
Also, is that an approved Satellite dish?
z31maniac said:If they weren't forced to move there, I don't see the problem.
If you don't read the rules of the HOA, then retroactively have an issue, I don't see the problem.
If you don't want to deal with an HOA, then don't move into a community with an HOA.
This is not quantum physics.
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The trouble HOAs tend to have include:
1. Sometimes the full details of the rules are not available to residents; you just get a summary. Not sure how that's even legal, but I've seen it happen.
2. Vague and imprecise rules that leave the interpretation up to a few people, or one person.
3. Very little checks and balances - there's nobody to appeal a questionable decision to, other than starting a lawsuit.
John Welsh said:bobzilla said:....... and this is why I live where I live.
But the head of your HOA says that all cars have to fit in the garage.
technically she's the finance manager.
Funny, I do not live in an HOA neighborhood and somehow all the homes look pretty decent, there are no dead or beaten up cars on the street, and everybody keeps their grass neat and trailers to a limit. If anything I am the bad neighbor with a disco that needs the hood repainted and a long term project boat in the driveway next to the house.
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