In reply to travellering :
I've thought about that too. It may not have just been incapacitation of the vehicle that preventer her from exiting after a hit like that. I can't help but wonder if there was any real chance of saving her...
Which reminds me that I really need to pick up a couple more RESQME's for our cars.
Driven5 said:When I first saw the RAV4 my mind tried to tell me it was a Tesla Model Y because of the dramatic roof curvature. If that were the case, it would also have fared shockingly well, despite the rear wheels having moved forward. Then I noticed the rear window where the bumper should be and my brain internalized how that was a result of the rear subframe movement and taking the floorpan with it.
Huh. I had only seen small thumbnail-sized pics and thought "that looks more like a Prius than a RAV4" and figured it was a third car that hadn't been mentioned or something. Looking at bigger pictures more carefully you're right, the whole back end of the car has been twisted underneath. That's nuts.
STM317 said:Modern cars are incredible. One on hand, that's not a ton of damage for what was likely a 70+mph collision . On the other hand, do we really need vehicles that can do 200mph on public roads in the hands of anybody with $1k/mo? Both are incredible feats, but I'm not sure that we need the second one. This thing is internet connected and GPS located thanks to OnStar. Conceptually, it doesn't seem too difficult to remotely "unlock" a modern vehicles top speed/performance only for predetermined locations like race tracks, and have it be more pedestrian in other places based on it's location. With great power comes great responsibility and all.
Not a fan of this digital oversight and enforcement but ...didn't somebody try this? Is it the Nissan GTR that "unlocks" performance if it detects you're on a race track?
Adrian_Thompson (Forum Supporter) said:
- Had to look up who the hell this Henry Ruggs character is, apparently he pays hand egg for what I thought was the Oakland Raiders but are apparently now in another state.
- Lot's of pics of exotics that go under the car they rear end, probably what happened here, reinforced possibly by the look that the car went over the nose of the Vette, the windshield smashed then the rear wheel of the other vehicle and hit the header rail at the top of the windshield which then likely tweaked the A pillar and totaled it.
- Damn good on the Chevy body engineers for engineering something that looks to have done an outstanding job of dispersing energy to save the life of the oxygen thief at the wheel.
- berkeley drunk drivers. Jail time, a lifetime ban from operating anything except a bicycle on public roads in future plus a loss of his career is still too good for him, and I doubt he'll get all of that.
- You can't criticize Toyota for the car going up in flames when rear ended by something going that fast.
- I hope the victims family get ever cent he has ever or will ever earn.
Everything Adrian said, X100
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid Ruggs!
With Uber, Lift or taxis available in the palm of your hand and you choose Stupid!
berkeley drunk drivers...
I wish you would delete this thread so I don't have see that piece of e36m3's name every time I go to GRM. Berk this.
In reply to travellering :
I have responded to hundreds of motor vehicle accidents over the past 30 years. People get trapped in all sorts of ways. It's not uncommon for the driver's feet to become entangled in the pedals. Doors that appear to have minimal damage can be nearly impossible to open. And it's hard to lift an injured person out of even an intact opening.
Example: My daughter hit a small bridge abutment at less than 30 mph. Both front passengers were uninjured, but I could not remove the passenger side floor mat even after some struggle, because the floor pan had folded up around it.
Don't mess with physics.
In reply to rustybugkiller :
Every member of the NFLPA has a number that they can call for a sedan service at no charge wherever they are.
NermalSnert (Forum Supporter) said:I wish you would delete this thread so I don't have see that piece of e36m3's name every time I go to GRM. Berk this.
Im sorry, I didnt mean to cause issues
STM317 said:Modern cars are incredible. One on hand, that's not a ton of damage for what was likely a 70+mph collision . On the other hand, do we really need vehicles that can do 200mph on public roads in the hands of anybody with $1k/mo? Both are incredible feats, but I'm not sure that we need the second one. This thing is internet connected and GPS located thanks to OnStar. Conceptually, it doesn't seem too difficult to remotely "unlock" a modern vehicles top speed/performance only for predetermined locations like race tracks, and have it be more pedestrian in other places based on it's location. With great power comes great responsibility and all.
200mph? Why do we need ones that do 100? or even 80? I mean, what's the highest posted speed limit in the USA? 70? Are there any higher?
Do we NEED them? No, probably not. But we dont NEED a lot of the things we have and like/love, right?
What about the persona who isnt on an official race track, but has access to one? There is a guy here in Lexington NC with his own private racetrack at his home. His car collection changes regularly, but it's all higher end stuff - made his fortune in the furniture business (if I have the right Eddie, there are/were two here in town, one for furniture, the other I dont know what his company does even though I pass it regularly - both fans of high end European cars). Or the Air BnB that has the little race track around it? What if someone buys an old airstrip?
No, Im not a fan of this idea.
hybridmomentspass said:STM317 said:Modern cars are incredible. One on hand, that's not a ton of damage for what was likely a 70+mph collision . On the other hand, do we really need vehicles that can do 200mph on public roads in the hands of anybody with $1k/mo? Both are incredible feats, but I'm not sure that we need the second one. This thing is internet connected and GPS located thanks to OnStar. Conceptually, it doesn't seem too difficult to remotely "unlock" a modern vehicles top speed/performance only for predetermined locations like race tracks, and have it be more pedestrian in other places based on it's location. With great power comes great responsibility and all.
200mph? Why do we need ones that do 100? or even 80? I mean, what's the highest posted speed limit in the USA? 70? Are there any higher?
Do we NEED them? No, probably not. But we dont NEED a lot of the things we have and like/love, right?
What about the persona who isnt on an official race track, but has access to one? There is a guy here in Lexington NC with his own private racetrack at his home. His car collection changes regularly, but it's all higher end stuff - made his fortune in the furniture business (if I have the right Eddie, there are/were two here in town, one for furniture, the other I dont know what his company does even though I pass it regularly - both fans of high end European cars). Or the Air BnB that has the little race track around it? What if someone buys an old airstrip?
No, Im not a fan of this idea.
Yes, plenty of turnpikes are 75-80, and one in Texas that is 85. And many highways in Montana used to not have speed limits until the Feds threatened to take away funding. Imagine how difficult it would be to pass someone on a two-lane road with a 65 mph speed limit when the car in front is doing 62 and you can only go up to 65, vs being able to drop the hammer and quickly and safely get around them.
I don't like the idea of artificially limiting cars and such either. If we really don't want people to drink and drive, let's make it so you can only consume alcohol at home. No bars, no glass of wine at a nice restaurant, etc. The vast majority of us that are responsible probably don't like that idea either.
hybridmomentspass said:STM317 said:Modern cars are incredible. One on hand, that's not a ton of damage for what was likely a 70+mph collision . On the other hand, do we really need vehicles that can do 200mph on public roads in the hands of anybody with $1k/mo? Both are incredible feats, but I'm not sure that we need the second one. This thing is internet connected and GPS located thanks to OnStar. Conceptually, it doesn't seem too difficult to remotely "unlock" a modern vehicles top speed/performance only for predetermined locations like race tracks, and have it be more pedestrian in other places based on it's location. With great power comes great responsibility and all.
200mph? Why do we need ones that do 100? or even 80? I mean, what's the highest posted speed limit in the USA? 70? Are there any higher?
Do we NEED them? No, probably not. But we dont NEED a lot of the things we have and like/love, right?
What about the persona who isnt on an official race track, but has access to one? There is a guy here in Lexington NC with his own private racetrack at his home. His car collection changes regularly, but it's all higher end stuff - made his fortune in the furniture business (if I have the right Eddie, there are/were two here in town, one for furniture, the other I dont know what his company does even though I pass it regularly - both fans of high end European cars). Or the Air BnB that has the little race track around it? What if someone buys an old airstrip?
No, Im not a fan of this idea.
1) The private tracks you're theorizing could still be used by older vehicles without internet connections, or dedicated race cars.
2) Instead of programming the vehicles to "unlock" their full performance on certain racetracks, do the opposite and program them to be limited anytime they're on known public roads. That way, if the vehicle is off road, or on a private road or airstrip they'd have full performance capabilities.
There's zero reason for new street vehicles to be unrestricted as a default. It was common to have top speed limiters on vehicles 20 years ago when 300hp was a lot. Modern vehicles are far more capable, and drivers are not.
captdownshift (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to rustybugkiller :
Every member of the NFLPA has a number that they can call for a sedan service at no charge wherever they are.
While that used to be true, it was ended in 2019.
z31maniac said:hybridmomentspass said:STM317 said:Modern cars are incredible. One on hand, that's not a ton of damage for what was likely a 70+mph collision . On the other hand, do we really need vehicles that can do 200mph on public roads in the hands of anybody with $1k/mo? Both are incredible feats, but I'm not sure that we need the second one. This thing is internet connected and GPS located thanks to OnStar. Conceptually, it doesn't seem too difficult to remotely "unlock" a modern vehicles top speed/performance only for predetermined locations like race tracks, and have it be more pedestrian in other places based on it's location. With great power comes great responsibility and all.
200mph? Why do we need ones that do 100? or even 80? I mean, what's the highest posted speed limit in the USA? 70? Are there any higher?
Do we NEED them? No, probably not. But we dont NEED a lot of the things we have and like/love, right?
What about the persona who isnt on an official race track, but has access to one? There is a guy here in Lexington NC with his own private racetrack at his home. His car collection changes regularly, but it's all higher end stuff - made his fortune in the furniture business (if I have the right Eddie, there are/were two here in town, one for furniture, the other I dont know what his company does even though I pass it regularly - both fans of high end European cars). Or the Air BnB that has the little race track around it? What if someone buys an old airstrip?
No, Im not a fan of this idea.
Yes, plenty of turnpikes are 75-80, and one in Texas that is 85. And many highways in Montana used to not have speed limits until the Feds threatened to take away funding. Imagine how difficult it would be to pass someone on a two-lane road with a 65 mph speed limit when the car in front is doing 62 and you can only go up to 65, vs being able to drop the hammer and quickly and safely get around them.
I don't like the idea of artificially limiting cars and such either. If we really don't want people to drink and drive, let's make it so you can only consume alcohol at home. No bars, no glass of wine at a nice restaurant, etc. The vast majority of us that are responsible probably don't like that idea either.
There's no reason you couldn't pass somebody with a top speed limiter in the 95-100mph range. And if we're being honest, I think we all take ourselves a bit too seriously on the road. The difference between 62mph and 65mph is a couple of seconds per mile. Nobody is so important that 2 seconds per mile is that critical.
As for the drunk driving, lets restrict the vehicles instead of eliminating public alcohol consumption outright. A breathalyzer ignition interlock would allow responsible people to continue to enjoy in public places while keeping dangerous drivers off the roads the rest of us use too. This tech already exists.
I'm not actually suggesting all new vehicles have breathalyzers, just pointing out that there are ways to prevent dangerous misuse of a tool without banning them outright. I think speed limiters would fit into that same vein now that $40-80k vehicles have super car performance
We're quickly sliding into a "private freedom vs. public safety" debate here, which I fear will lead to Margie's patio.
STM317 said:z31maniac said:hybridmomentspass said:STM317 said:M And if we're being honest, I think we all take ourselves a bit too seriously on the road. The difference between 62mph and 65mph is a couple of seconds per mile. Nobody is so important that 2 seconds per mile is that critical.
Ive used this point a lot, that, really, a few mph doesnt make a huge difference in most of our lives. Even those people who are 5-6 miles from home and think they need to do 10mph or more over the limit to get there 'on time' are kidding themselves - one stoplight and all that 'savings' is gone. Im not suggesting to do EXACTLY the limit...and I dont, but to think a few mph makes a huge difference, not really for most of our day to day lives.
On a road trip, like I just took to Chicago (12+ hours each way), yeah, a few mph over and I saw a minute drop from the Garmin every 15ish minutes of driving.
Im just not a fan of creating more restrictions. Especially with 99% are doing alright without them, tired of conceding for the few who screw things up for the rest of us. I worry that by giving an inch on this, it'll be quickly taken out a foot and a mile in no time.
hybridmomentspass said:Im just not a fan of creating more restrictions. Especially with 99% are doing alright without them, tired of conceding for the few who screw things up for the rest of us. I worry that by giving an inch on this, it'll be quickly taken out a foot and a mile in no time.
What I'm proposing is not tightening restrictions, it's enforcing existing law. I'm not saying speed limits should be changed, or currently legal things should become illegal. I'm suggesting better enforcement of existing laws and regulations. Capping vehicle speed at 95-100mph just limits the damage that can be done. Those speeds are illegal on public roads everywhere in the US. I don't see how limiting people to only regular levels of illegal activity instead of extremely illegal activity is really changing anything or infringing on critical rights.
And it would only be possible on connected vehicles too, so if you wanted the freedom to go 150 on a public road, you'd still have some options. You'd just have to work harder to do it than you do with so many brand new vehicles.
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