Herman Cain

Snowdoggie wrote: Clinton actually cheated on his wife often. I 'm not sure Herman Cain did anything other than say something to a couple of women that might have been taken the wrong way and somebody in his organization thought it was better to pay them off than to suffer the bad publicity. Yep. The other side is going to villify him for it. Guys in his party who are running against him are probably going to villify him too. Then Leno and Letterman will make jokes about him. I guess that's just politics.

I would be really surprised to find any of this came out due to "the other side". Hell, I think Democrats are contributing to his primary campaign. No, I smell Romny behind this one.

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: Clinton actually cheated on his wife often. I 'm not sure Herman Cain did anything other than say something to a couple of women that might have been taken the wrong way and somebody in his organization thought it was better to pay them off than to suffer the bad publicity. Yep. The other side is going to villify him for it. Guys in his party who are running against him are probably going to villify him too. Then Leno and Letterman will make jokes about him. I guess that's just politics.

I would be really surprised to find any of this came out due to "the other side". Hell, I think Democrats are contributing to his primary campaign. No, I smell Romny behind this one.

There are a lot of Machiavellian former GWB guys on the Romney campaign who would do this. There are some extreme lefties who would do it too. In this political climate its hard to tell where this is coming from, but a dirty tricks campaign against a front runner who is not an establishment player?There is no doubt people want to screw over Cain.

I agree with both of you.

WHOA! Did I just type that?

Yeah, this is either Romney, Obama or, actually, Cain himself. Think about it. I don't think he's that sleazy, but if he was, this would be a good tactic. I do think Romney is that sleazy. I do think Obama is that sleazy.

tuna55 wrote: I agree with both of you. WHOA! Did I just type that? Yeah, this is either Romney, Obama or, actually, Cain himself. Think about it. I don't think he's that sleazy, but if he was, this would be a good tactic. I do think Romney is that sleazy. I do think Obama is that sleazy.

I also think Karl Rove (who was on top of this story awfully fast) is that sleazy - just sayin'

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: Clinton actually cheated on his wife often. I 'm not sure Herman Cain did anything other than say something to a couple of women that might have been taken the wrong way and somebody in his organization thought it was better to pay them off than to suffer the bad publicity. Yep. The other side is going to villify him for it. Guys in his party who are running against him are probably going to villify him too. Then Leno and Letterman will make jokes about him. I guess that's just politics.

I would be really surprised to find any of this came out due to "the other side". Hell, I think Democrats are contributing to his primary campaign. No, I smell Romny behind this one.

I'm betting Romny or the good old boys in the Republican party. The left would have saved this for the general.

Then again Cain's crowd could have gone ahead and put it out now rather than having it leak the week before the primaries. It gives them plenty of time to do damage control and make the rest of them look like idiots for blowing it out of proportion.

To me is the story of how Cain handled it. He acted confused and ambiguous and seemed to remember stuff slowly once it became obvious he couldn't plausibly deny it. This makes him look like a run of the mill politician, someone who will lie about anything to save their ass.

Is there anyone here that wouldn't remember it at all if falsely accused of sexually harassment?

tuna55 wrote: I agree with both of you. WHOA! Did I just type that? Yeah, this is either Romney, Obama or, actually, Cain himself. Think about it. I don't think he's that sleazy, but if he was, this would be a good tactic. I do think Romney is that sleazy. I do think Obama is that sleazy.

It's Obamney. You know. The guy with the health care plan.

I did hear rumors that Romney's guys were the ones digging up the dirt on Sarah Palin in 2008. Trashing his own party's candidate in a General Election to clear the way for another shot in 2012. Of course McCain and Romney didn't like each other. Pretty damned sleazy.

I may be full of it but this is how I think a Romney Presidency will go down:

The guys who paid to get him into office need to be paid back and some bubbles need to be inflated. The unemployment rate needs to go down.

Medicare will be privatized. All those unemployed real estate and mortgage people will be re-deployed as salesmen and paper pushers in the new privatized Medicare industry. The government will continue to subsidize old people who can't afford medical care but now the money will be routed through the insurance companies. New jobs will be created and the investors will get a cut. Paper pushers will find a million ways to deny coverage to grandmaw and grandpaw and our health care costs will be the highest in the world while the mortality rate for old folks in places like Tanzania will be lower than in the US.

The deficit will continue to skyrocket but we won't notice because....we will be at war. Mitt will take a run at Iran, he will send more troops to Afghanistan and find a reason to send troops back to Iraq. By the end of his first term we may even have troops in Syria. We will also have new battleships patrolling the waters near China and a new defensive missile system to protect Europe from a weakened Russia. Defense spending will go through the roof making new jobs for everybody. The unemployment rate will go down and anybody who can't find a job can just enlist. The deficit is going through the roof, but who cares. Everybody has jobs, defense contractors are buying new Gulfstreams, and hey, we are at war.

In about 10 years, the deficit will be exploding but Mitt will be out of office by then and it will be some other guys problem. But if you have grandchildren just starting out in their careers....yeah. It's really going to suck for them.

In reply to Snowdoggie:

That first sentence certainly lends credence to all those that follow.

oldsaw wrote: In reply to Snowdoggie: That first sentence certainly lends credence to all those that follow.

Maybe if I say it like Glenn Beck....

I might be CRAZY...

Snowdoggie wrote: It's Obamney. You know. The guy with the health care plan.

Now, that's funny, right there.

In reply to Snowdoggie:

Soooo, you think he's George W Bush.

Sniff. Sniff. I told myself I wouldn't cry. It's just that I love America so damn much. I'm sorry. Sniff. Sniff. Buy some gold.

Snowdoggie wrote: I may be full of it but this is how I think a Romney Presidency will go down....

You got it wrong there mister, close though. He will follow in the steps of the master, the demi-god, the Reagan:

He will lower taxes to stimulate the economy, start massive defense spending because of Chinese, Iran, whatever (no one will realize this is just another stimulus spending bill, because, you know, it's to make America stronger), say that the tax cuts (not the massive spending) is what is making all the new jobs, will soon come to the realization that more tax revenue is desperately needed with all the spending and will raise taxes in a backdoor way by removing tax loopholes / deductions and in 20 years everyone will think he is some sort of genius.

Snowdoggie wrote: Maybe if I say it like Glenn Beck....

Just don't buy his gold:

Goldlines Execs Charged with Fraud

Even though I listen to Beck, I'll concur that buying gold (right now, anyway) is about the dumbest thing you can do as an investment. Gold is artificially high; in other words, it's a bubble. It's gonna pop. I guess the owners of gold will then need a bailout a gov't bailout.

Investing is pretty simple: buy low, sell high. Doing the opposite is, well, dumb.

fast_eddie_72 wrote: In reply to Snowdoggie: Soooo, you think he's George W Bush. Sniff. Sniff. I told myself I wouldn't cry. It's just that I love America so damn much. I'm sorry. Sniff. Sniff. Buy some gold.

Romney

Came from a wealthy influential family with a father who is a high government official?

check

Graduated from Ivy League Schools?

check

Talks funny like a Texan even though he was born in Connecticut?

ummm. not really.

No. He's not Bush.

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: It's Obamney. You know. The guy with the health care plan.

Now, that's funny, right there.

What's funny about it is that Obama adopted a plan that the conservative Heritage Foundation developed that actually forces you to buy a product from a private company that was created as an alternative to the socialist single payer system, and his opponents call it socialism.

In reply to Snowdoggie:

At least the Heritage Foundation realized its' error and retracted its' position.

oldsaw wrote: In reply to Snowdoggie: At least the Heritage Foundation realized its' error and retracted its' position.

So did Romney, but only that he said it was working for his state but it wouldn't work for the entire country.

Snowdoggie wrote: What's funny about it is that Obama adopted a plan that the conservative Heritage Foundation developed that actually forces you to buy a product from a private company that was created as an alternative to the socialist single payer system, and his opponents call it socialism.

I don't mind them opposing the President and Democrats. That's fine. But it does ruffle my feathers a bit when I keep hearing about "government run health care" when we didn't get government run health care. Hey, that's what some of us wanted. Don't rub it in. So, in the end, we got this crappy, not government run health care and they still get to position it as if we did. What's up with that? And we keep hearing about how we can't afford it right now when it's damn near the only thing I can see that actually does something to fix the deficite on one of the big problem areas of the budget.

In reply to fast_eddie_72:

It's possible a limited-scope, experimental single-payer program would have been a more palatable approach. But, hey, it was the President's choice to defer the details to his Congressional cronies. One can blame Republicans for obstructionism but they have a minimal footprint on the legislative abortion known is the HC bill.

As far as attacking the deficit, that premise is based on some wacky accounting practices and the sustainability of key portions of the bill. Those accounting practices would put private sector companies is serious legal trouble and the CLASS portion of HC reform has already fallen on it's financial face.

The FAIL is strong with this one............

oldsaw wrote: it was the President's choice to defer the details to his Congressional cronies.

Actually, no President can create a bill of any sort... constitutionally...

tuna55 wrote:

oldsaw wrote: it was the President's choice to defer the details to his Congressional cronies.

Actually, no President can create a bill of any sort... constitutionally...

You watched your schoolhouse rock.

tuna55 wrote:

oldsaw wrote: it was the President's choice to defer the details to his Congressional cronies.

Actually, no President can create a bill of any sort... constitutionally...

Anyone can write a bill. But only a congresscritter can introduce it to the legislature.

As for attacks on Cain. I don't think Obama needs to attack any of the Republican candidates right now. They're doing a good enough job all attacking each other. No wonder incumbents always win, they can just say, "Well, I don't know why you'd want to vote for the other guy. His own people think he's an idiotic p.o.s. that isn't fit to run the country."

aircooled wrote:

Snowdoggie wrote: I may be full of it but this is how I think a Romney Presidency will go down....

You got it wrong there mister, close though. He will follow in the steps of the master, the demi-god, the Reagan: He will lower taxes to stimulate the economy, start massive defense spending because of Chinese, Iran, whatever (no one will realize this is just another stimulus spending bill, because, you know, it's to make America stronger), say that the tax cuts (not the massive spending) is what is making all the new jobs, will soon come to the realization that more tax revenue is desperately needed with all the spending and will raise taxes in a backdoor way by removing tax loopholes / deductions and in 20 years everyone will think he is some sort of genius.

Romney's company actually made money, unlike Bush, who ran his company into the ground and then sold his stock in it before the other investors found out. We aren't even going to talk about what his baseball team did to us this year. Reagan could make better speeches than either one of them and like Rick Perry, grew up poor and was a Democrat before he was a Republican.