In reply to Salanis:
You have a knack for hitting the nail directly on the head with this stuff.
In reply to Salanis:
You have a knack for hitting the nail directly on the head with this stuff.
Snowdoggie wrote: Blowing up at the press like he did the other day made him sound unstable and out of control. Not something we want in a potential President. Maybe he is a smart guy who doesn't communicate very well and doesn't know how to play the political game. Maybe he is a little too cocky. What he needs to do now is shut his mouth for a few days, go into hiding and get some professional advice and try to build a better campaign organization. That's the only way he can save himself at this point.
So basically, you want another politician.
Salanis wrote: I'll wager that Cain turns into this season's Howard Dean. A bit cooky with the guts to say things appealing to the more frustrated among us, but not composed and strategic enough to actually get elected. Less extreme members of his party will see what he says that resonates with the people and pick a few key nuggets which they'll tone down, package better, and claim as their own.
Or maybe he will turn into the Republican Bill Clinton. He will survive all these accusations, get himself elected and we will have eight more years of interns in thongs and bimbo eruptions and a whole new generation of young women basing their careers on having fooled around with the President.
DILYSI Dave wrote:Snowdoggie wrote: Blowing up at the press like he did the other day made him sound unstable and out of control. Not something we want in a potential President. Maybe he is a smart guy who doesn't communicate very well and doesn't know how to play the political game. Maybe he is a little too cocky. What he needs to do now is shut his mouth for a few days, go into hiding and get some professional advice and try to build a better campaign organization. That's the only way he can save himself at this point.So basically, you want another politician.
It's not what I want. It's what the public wants.
I hate the Kardashians and Dancing with the Stars, but the guys who program the television networks don't care what I hate. They want what the majority wants. Politics? Same thing.
The fact that real guy Herman Cain is beating ken doll Mitt Romney makes me hope you're wrong.
DILYSI Dave wrote: The fact that real guy Herman Cain is beating ken doll Mitt Romney makes me hope you're wrong.
About which? That he will lose to Mitt the Slick or that he will win the General Election and become the Republican Bill Clinton.
Snowdoggie wrote:DILYSI Dave wrote: The fact that real guy Herman Cain is beating ken doll Mitt Romney makes me hope you're wrong.About which? That he will lose to Mitt the Slick or that he will win the General Election and become the Republican Bill Clinton.
It's way too early to answer either question.
But, should Cain win the nomination and election, it's a safe bet that he wouldn't come close to Clinton's love conquests. Anonymous, alleged claims of sexual harassment (with miniscule pay-offs) are very different to Clinton's huge settlement and his testimony that led to perjury and obstruction of justice charges.
Regardless of the paper-thin similarities, these guys adhere to very different philosophies towards politics and women.
oldsaw wrote:Snowdoggie wrote:It's way too early to answer either question. But, should Cain win the nomination and election, it's a safe bet that he wouldn't come close to Clinton's love conquests. Anonymous, alleged claims of sexual harassment (with miniscule pay-offs) are very different to Clinton's huge settlement and his testimony that led to perjury and obstruction of justice charges. Regardless of the paper-thin similarities, these guys adhere to very different philosophies towards politics and women.DILYSI Dave wrote: The fact that real guy Herman Cain is beating ken doll Mitt Romney makes me hope you're wrong.About which? That he will lose to Mitt the Slick or that he will win the General Election and become the Republican Bill Clinton.
Politics maybe, but as to women that remains to be seen.
http://news.yahoo.com/allred-says-woman-accuse-cain-145919349.html
Yeah, yeah. I know. Gloria Allred. Leftist. Big contributor to the Democratic Party. Etc. But if you really want to energize a bunch of leftists who are indifferent about pro-Afghanistan war, funded with Wall Street money Obama, threaten them with a Cain Presidency. This just energized Obama's base.
I am also wondering how independents and Ron Paul supporters feel about Cain being a Deputy Chairman of the Fed and a K Street Lobbyist. This guy is looking more and more like a Black Romney here. A real Washington insider. I just don't understand why Ron Paul's numbers aren't higher.
Snowdoggie wrote: I just don't understand why Ron Paul's numbers aren't higher.
Honestly, Snowdoggie, I think that's a pretty easy one to figure out.
As far as Allred joining the anti-Cain train - meh.......... Her's is a transparent schtick as hitwoman for left-leaning interests; she has no credibility. It's hard to imagine she collects fees from the miserable attention seekers she allegedly represents. Let's see whose names are on the checks used for the legal defense fund.
oldsaw wrote:Snowdoggie wrote: I just don't understand why Ron Paul's numbers aren't higher.Honestly, Snowdoggie, I think that's a pretty easy one to figure out.
I still think that Cain is just another flavor of Romney.
oldsaw wrote: As far as Allred joining the anti-Cain train - meh.......... Her's is a transparent schtick as hitwoman for left-leaning interests; she has no credibility. It's hard to imagine she collects fees from the miserable attention seekers she allegedly represents. Let's see whose names are on the checks used for the legal defense fund.
She may not have credibilty from your side, but she sure would energize a lot of left wing voters in the general election who are rather apathetic towards Obama right now. Keeping Cain from winning would rally the troops. Keeping Romney from winning, not so much. It wouldn't surprise me to see a few Obama supporters sending checks to the Cain campaign right now. 
Dark Chocolate flavor?
Sorry couldn't resist.
Along the same lines
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/we-demand-vapid-condescending-meaningless-politically-safe-response-petition/
I wonder why these non-credible women are lining up to accuse Cain? It reminds me of Bill Clinton. At some point, you might figure they aren't all liars.
I wonder if Cain ever closed the deal with a woman he attempted to have an affair with. Clinton did. Even Newt Gingrich did. Pretty much every fat, bald local politician or executive can parlay his position into a lay. But Cain is batting zero so far. And he wants to lead the free world with that kind of success rate?
Four women publicly exposed their assignations with Clinton; all were vilified by the press and one went home with a $850,000 settlement.
Now we have four women and three don't want their names revealed. The fourth's story is highly suspect.
Yet, in this case, it's the accused who is vilified.
Snowdoggie wrote: Keeping Cain from winning would rally the troops. Keeping Romney from winning, not so much.
this just in: Dems Hate Blacks!
AngryCorvair wrote:Snowdoggie wrote: Keeping Cain from winning would rally the troops. Keeping Romney from winning, not so much.this just in: Dems Hate Blacks!
Even more than people who believe in magic underwear?
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:AngryCorvair wrote:Even more than people who believe in magic underwear?Snowdoggie wrote: Keeping Cain from winning would rally the troops. Keeping Romney from winning, not so much.this just in: Dems Hate Blacks!
Barack Obama doesn't like black people.
Ummm..Wait a minute!
I love the story of this woman who came forth...she was fired after 6 months. She's had multiple boyfriends since the alleged incident. Her story is pretty far out there, IMO. Not saying it's not possible, but the way she tells it just doesn't seem logical to me.
...and now Michele Bachmann is accusing him of being a 'frugal socialist'. Herman just can't catch a break from these damned females.
The Republican Primary Circus just goes on and on. 
ddavidv wrote: I love the story of this woman who came forth...she was fired after 6 months. She's had multiple boyfriends since the alleged incident. Her story is pretty far out there, IMO. Not saying it's not possible, but the way she tells it just doesn't seem logical to me.
Were all of her boyfriends white? Maybe she's just a racist.
I really have a problem with claims over a decade old of alleged abuses that were never reported, documented, or corroborated.
I don't mean to be cruel, but if it wasn't worth reporting to authorities when it "happened", why is it suddenly significant when it is politically expedient?
SVreX wrote: I really have a problem with claims over a decade old of alleged abuses that were never reported, documented, or corroborated. I don't mean to be cruel, but if it wasn't worth reporting to authorities when it "happened", why is it suddenly significant when it is politically expedient?
Maybe the charges are bogus. But he isn't helping his case by waving off the press and saying, 'end of story, not going to talk about it.' It's like Michael Wiener. The more upset he gets, the more you think that there is something here he really doesn't want to talk about. If anything, that makes him look more guilty and then he goes on about not remembering and not being sure about how the NRA handled the claims when he was CEO and if he didn't know, he probably should have. Then he accuses the Rick Perry campaign and demands to know who exposed this. It all looks kind of funny.
He needs to put his cards on the table and say this is what happened. I was falsely charged and here is why. Avoiding the issue and responding with accusations just makes him seem deceptive.
NBC Evening News, Violet dropped da bomb on Cain, the cluster berkeley is in high gear.
Snowdoggie wrote:SVreX wrote: I really have a problem with claims over a decade old of alleged abuses that were never reported, documented, or corroborated. I don't mean to be cruel, but if it wasn't worth reporting to authorities when it "happened", why is it suddenly significant when it is politically expedient?Maybe the charges are bogus. But he isn't helping his case by waving off the press and saying, 'end of story, not going to talk about it.' It's like Michael Wiener. The more upset he gets, the more you think that there is something here he really doesn't want to talk about. If anything, that makes him look more guilty and then he goes on about not remembering and not being sure about how the NRA handled the claims when he was CEO and if he didn't know, he probably should have. Then he accuses the Rick Perry campaign and demands to know who exposed this. It all looks kind of funny. He needs to put his cards on the table and say this is what happened. I was falsely charged and here is why. Avoiding the issue and responding with accusations just makes him seem deceptive.
Of course you realize how ridiculous that is, right?
What if nothing happened? How is he going to prove nothing? Shall he give credibility to every bogus claim by trying to defend himself against something that didn't happen?
What if it did happen? It's still his word against theirs (and most of them are anonymous). How's THAT gonna work?
I know this is gonna sound callous, but if no charges were filed, no evidence presented, and no witnesses I see no reason why anyone should pay any attention.
I deeply understand the difficulties with reporting charges of this nature, but part of the consequences of not reporting is a lack of credibility later.
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