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PHeller
PHeller PowerDork
5/29/14 10:33 a.m.

I think its easy to become envious of those who create wealth from nothing. Our society really loves the rag-to-riches people who made their start selling peanuts and now are heads of multi-million dollar food corporations.

slefain
slefain UltraDork
5/29/14 10:46 a.m.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
5/29/14 10:46 a.m.

Hmmm.....you say you would be able to do as good a job as a real professional speaker. Why don't you become a professional speaker? Those that make a living doing it are paid because people are interested in what they have to say--- as they (presumably) have achieved some sort of success. What would you be teaching them?

Why not work hard at something, become an expert, and then pass along that knowledge to people who are interested in learning what you can now legitimately teach.

Fraud is wrong, stealing is wrong. Karma is real and will bite you in the ass.

just my .02

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
5/29/14 10:57 a.m.
Joe Gearin wrote: Why not work hard at something, become an expert, and then pass along that knowledge to people who are interested in learning what you can now legitimately teach.

Or... get loaded, run down some children, do some time and to get out for good behavior... travel around telling high school kids not to get loaded and run down some children. Prison rape stories are cliche but still effective for fear mongering so be sure to get some of that while you are "in".

When your parole is done.... Profit!

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UberDork
5/29/14 10:58 a.m.

Using a blatantly fake resume to get paying gigs would be blatantly wrong. Unless it was so over the top, unbelievably fake as to be awesome. Instead of claiming to be the CEO of a company that makes Android apps, be the CEO of a company that makes hyperspace propulsion systems and give the audience tales of how something went wrong testing a prototype and you found you'd accidentally teleported Mount Rushmore to Alpha Centauri, and had to get it back before anyone noticed it was gone. Make the lies so big they're entertainment instead of deception, and you'd have something there.

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
5/29/14 11:02 a.m.

^^^ and as a bonus, think of all the useful things you'll learn while incarcerated. You'd be eligible for all kinds of speaking engagements. ( How to create home-made tattoos / How to message large angry men / How to be a good girlfriend / How to survive a jailbreak- gang war.....etc.)

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/29/14 11:09 a.m.

Alright fair enough, it's apparently illegal and admittedly morally dubious. Pop culture karma is definitely not real though and the proper religious definition of karma is untestable.

oldsaw
oldsaw PowerDork
5/29/14 11:16 a.m.
GameboyRMH wrote: Alright fair enough, it's apparently illegal and admittedly morally dubious.

You have reached a good conclusion. But, it took 32 responses to figure this out?

Mitchell
Mitchell UltraDork
5/29/14 11:23 a.m.

Perhaps it's a mere white lie by Islander standards

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
5/29/14 11:35 a.m.

Why are you so intent on packaging it in an illegal format?

It seems to me you are inches away from brilliance, but would rather do it illegally.

Become a great speaker. Start a real business. Instead of bribing friends, pay them salaries.

Seriously, why do it illegally, when there is so much opportunity to do it right?

Mark Zuckerberg created the #1 social media platform. But even on the day he conceived it, he was in the business of creating the #1 social media platform.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
5/29/14 11:47 a.m.
SVreX wrote: Mark Zuckerberg created the #1 social media platform. But even on the day he conceived it, he was in the business of creating the #1 social media platform.

Well, he started it by stealing photos and publishing them without permission so... both illegal and unethical!

Mitchell
Mitchell UltraDork
5/29/14 11:49 a.m.

Didn't Facebook begin as a "Harvard's Hottest" list?

nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
5/29/14 12:00 p.m.

If the only reason you want to do it is for a cash grab and your heart really isn't in it for the purpose of teaching then you likely wouldn't be successful at it anyway. There is a right way to get there, scamming and short cuts isn't it.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson PowerDork
5/29/14 12:01 p.m.

if you're that good, go and get practice by doing stand up, open mike story telling etc. Pitch a story to 'The Moth' etc.

yamaha
yamaha UltimaDork
5/29/14 12:25 p.m.
Mitchell wrote: Perhaps it's a mere white lie by Islander standards

They're taught these things by that darn Loch Ness Monster......it was probably their last motivational speaker to come through. Titled, "How to trick cruise tourists out of about treefiddy"

Joe Gearin
Joe Gearin Associate Publisher
5/29/14 1:49 p.m.

karma= you get what you give

Would you want to be scammed? Lied to? Cheated out of your $$? If not, then don't do this to others.

I've been fortunate enough to meet many extremely successful "self-made" people. One hard fact that always rings true is this:

If you want to be successful, you have to work your ass off.

There is no getting around this--- regardless of your occupation. Unless you are born into wealth, or win the lottery, or are struck by lightening and golden clovers start sprouting out of your butt---- you'll have to work, and work hard to succeed.

mndsm
mndsm MegaDork
5/29/14 2:43 p.m.

90% of sales is what you can convince other people you're capable of legitimate or otherwise. Rather than lie about your resume, why not just convince people you're what they need? Think about self help gurus like Tony Little. 99% of what that guy sells is schlock and pats on the back that anyone can sell if they package it differently. But to the shlubs paying for those books on TV at 3am, it's GOLD. If you can convince people they need what you have, it doesn't matter if you're a child rapist or God. I'd say rather than focusing on faking it, work on spinning it. Do it all legal, but use buzz words and nonsense.... if you're in a scheming mood. Me personally I believe in a genuine product, but sometimes people like having smoke blown up their asses.

noddaz
noddaz GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/29/14 3:02 p.m.
nicksta43 wrote: I'm sure it has been done before and will be done again. I put it in the same league as lying about military service or college degrees on resumes.

Sure has ask any Senator or Congressman...

novaderrik
novaderrik PowerDork
5/30/14 2:14 a.m.

Become an expert on making yourself look more important than you really are and give speeches about that..

Or just take the most inspirational aspects of this TED talk and go from there:

http://www.ted.com/talks/reggie_watts_disorients_you_in_the_most_entertaining_way

Mike
Mike GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
5/30/14 7:07 a.m.

I'd suggest adjusting you plan enough to not be lying. You can probably get some speaking engagement somewhere. I went to a security b-sides conference (a national series) recently, and they had ten slots for impromptu speakers - winner, by audience vote, gets a bottle of rum. Guess what? You were a speaker! Do a couple of these, and assemble a video. Throw up a site and do some SEO. Talk about all of your engagements, and show your video.

Now you've got a month of weekends spent, and you've created a basis for being hired. You skipped fraud and school without putting too much money or time in.

MadScientistMatt
MadScientistMatt UberDork
5/30/14 8:21 a.m.

I'm in favor of (1) making the fictitious background even more fictitious, while (2) making sure the audience is in on it.

You could go all sorts of entertaining places with this.

  • Show up as a public domain fictional character, like Sherlock Holmes, Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde, or Long John Silver.
  • Be a generic movie trope who gets to express the side of genre movies that aren't usually filmed (think Jack Slater from The Last Action Hero, or Dr. Evil)
  • Look like a celebrity? Show up as a parody of that guy. Or a parody of a celebrity you look nothing like, if you can get their mannerisms down perfectly.
oldtin
oldtin UltraDork
5/30/14 9:16 a.m.

For the effort it would take to build the persona, references, history, etc. you could probably do it legitimately. The people pulling down 5-6 figures for speaking engagements are pretty well known in consulting or speakers bureaus. People go for speakers who overcome adversity or do something extraordinary (cancer patients climbing Everest or take a few months and walk the length of S. America...), then tell your story about it. On a smaller scale, even the effort, creativity and skills to build and race a challenge car has merits in business audiences if packaged well.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
5/30/14 9:23 a.m.
noddaz wrote:
nicksta43 wrote: I'm sure it has been done before and will be done again. I put it in the same league as lying about military service or college degrees on resumes.
Sure has ask any Senator or Congressman...

Actually, I hear ex-presidents make bank on speaking engagements. So, become one and this problem solves itself!

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