DrBoost
DrBoost Dork
2/22/10 8:36 a.m.

Ok, my buddy got himself screwed. He arranged to buy a powertrain and wiring from two dudes in Denver (my buddy is in Michigan). First he sent a deposit, was shown pics of the engine pulled, then sent the balance owed. The stuff never showed up. Over the last few months the sellers aren't responding to e-mail or phone calls. Eventually the sellers did send back the deposit ($1200 out of $5000).
Then last week a buddy of my buddy happened to have a business trip in Denver and made a visit to the sellers. Things got a bit heated and the sellers said he'd pay him in a week (heard that one before). Anyway, the sellers sent him this e-mail:
"Listen I understand where you are coming from, but now you need to understand. We sent you some money as we had it. We are working on it alright. But believe me when you have your friends come through the door yelling and screaming its not exactly in your favor. Ill tell you right now piss mike off enough and he will say **** it take me to court. He does not rip people off but, im sure you know the economy isnt what it used to be. And he did not buy a turbo, I traded a short block for a turbo. Just to clear that up. We have a guy on this forum who owes us 1500 dollars for sometime now. He has another week to send the money or we will be selling his 2.3l. He sent a deposit 5 months ago and still hasnt paid. Im personally wanted to sell it 3 months ago, but mike said no. The minute I get aj_ws6: "I will be returning your money. Come on down and see me, bring tough guy mark with you. just to let you know though we will be leaving for Michigan on wednesday for a small business trip so come before then. I told you on evo m the minute i have money you will have money. "

Now, you don't have to tell me he should have never done this (sending money across the country with no REAL proof of a product) but it's done. My buddy said he did research on the guy before the transaction and all was fine. Now he's finding others that are being screwed by this guy, lots of money owed. I guess there are judgments against this guy and he's already been sued.
Here's my question, is there anything he can do? Can these guys (the ones being screwed) get together, almost like a class-action and put a lien on his stuff? If these guys have suits agains them, and have indeed already lost suits what happens then? Can you just go on about your life owing someone money that the court says you have to pay and just not pay?

DrBoost
DrBoost Dork
2/22/10 8:37 a.m.

Sorry, don't know why it double posted...

zomby woof
zomby woof HalfDork
2/22/10 8:41 a.m.

Money's gone.

Lesson learned.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
2/22/10 8:48 a.m.

Money is gone. Gather proof of the transaction and call the authorities. Its either fraud, theft or just plain stupidity but... might as well try.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve SuperDork
2/22/10 9:02 a.m.

Send a tougher guy. Intimidation doesn't work unless the guy is intimidated.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/22/10 9:13 a.m.

depending on how the money was sent.. it could be mail fraud.

93celicaGT2
93celicaGT2 SuperDork
2/22/10 9:16 a.m.

How was the money sent?

JeffHarbert
JeffHarbert GRM+ Memberand New Reader
2/22/10 9:26 a.m.

Your friend should sue the guy. He could end up declaring bankruptcy, but only after a judgement. If he declares before a judgement he has to pay. If he doesn't pay the authorities will slap a lien on him.

Also - five large for an engine and harness? What was he buying?

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA HalfDork
2/22/10 9:58 a.m.

Have your friend talk to the FBI. This is an interstate crime so it's a federal beef. They'll be interested, especially if there's more than one victim. If it happened through the mail, the Postal Inspectors will want to talk to the crook. Believe it or not, P.I.s are some of the toughest law enforcement in the country.

Once he's charged, get a lawyer to slap a lien on his property. Become a registered creditor so you're first in line to get any money from any bk settlement.

3Door4G
3Door4G New Reader
2/22/10 12:51 p.m.

To me this sounds like a poorly organized dude with a lot of excuses. Hopefully enough legal pressure will make him get his E36 M3 together but probably not.

Hope your friend can get his money back.

cwh
cwh SuperDork
2/22/10 2:28 p.m.

Phone calls from attorneys or a friendly cop can be effective, even long distance. Both have worked for me.

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/22/10 2:37 p.m.

And remember technically he is operating a ponzi scheme.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
2/22/10 2:38 p.m.
John Brown wrote: And remember technically he is operating a ponzi scheme.

I saw Ponzi jump a shark once

wbjones
wbjones HalfDork
2/22/10 7:58 p.m.

wasn't that Fonzie ?

John Brown
John Brown GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/23/10 6:28 a.m.

Don't call him Arthur.

DrBoost
DrBoost Dork
2/23/10 8:52 a.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
John Brown wrote: And remember technically he is operating a ponzi scheme.
I saw Ponzi jump a shark once

You have NO IDEA just how hard I laughed after reading this.

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
2/23/10 9:28 a.m.

Did the money go via Paypal, if so there may be avenues through them

Ponzie, Fonzie, Crudzie it's all fun till the shark gets mad

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
2/23/10 12:19 p.m.

then it is nomnomnom

93gsxturbo
93gsxturbo Reader
2/23/10 12:48 p.m.

Sent you a PM with contact info of an attorney who can help you. He has helped several people on another board and is local to Colorado.

DrBoost
DrBoost Dork
2/23/10 5:39 p.m.

Thanks 93 GSX. I sent you an e-mail before I read this post. Now I know what the e-mail was about................ Sometimes I'm a little slow.

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