Hows your windows 10 update going?

ProDarwin wrote:

1988RedT2 wrote: Haha. Now let me get this straight. Given the events documented throughout history regarding Windows releases, people are willingly choosing to trust their hardware to Microsoft's latest whimsy? I don't know if I should weep for the blatant stupidity and certain demise of mankind, or to admire the blind optimism that such a move entails.

Why? If you don't like it, go back to 8.1, 7, xp, or Ubuntu or whatever other OS suits your fancy.

Since you are interested, I'll let you know that in 2009, I made the very tentative move to Ubuntu Linux, and since then I have become a "true believer" in the virtues of Linux, and my complete and utter contempt of Microsoft continues unabated.

No need to sell me on Linux. There are at least 3 flavors of Linux running in my house. But my main computer that I like to play games on? Windows. And Windows 10 is faster than 7. I'll willingly upgrade.

I'm 100% Windows free except for a VM I need for connecting to customers (their requirement).

Even IRacing runs on linux.

alfadriver wrote: Why not try, then?

Because when Microsoft gives things away for free you should think about why the British gave blankets to the Indians not "Oh! Free Stuff!".

This thread made me reconsider upgrading. You can cancel it using the instructions at this link if you want to do so too. I'll wait for a bit longer, the update is available until 29 July next year.

If you are worried about the data your desktop OS collects about you, you shouldn't carry a cellphone

1988RedT2 wrote: Since you are interested, I'll let you know that in 2009, I made the very tentative move to Ubuntu Linux, and since then I have become a "true believer" in the virtues of Linux, and my complete and utter contempt of Microsoft continues unabated.

Yeah, desktop Linux used to be total E36 M3, unless you were some sort of nerd or hacker and familiar with *nix systems and enjoyed poking around a command line all the time, but it's gotten pretty damn good in the last few years. Many of the distros are definitely good enough to hand over to the computer illiterate now.

kanaric wrote: If you are worried about the data your desktop OS collects about you, you shouldn't carry a cellphone

Or post on, Facespace, Twitter, search for anything on Google, and for God's sake, don't post anything here. Hell, just disconnect your interwebz.

1988RedT2 wrote: Haha. Now let me get this straight. Given the events documented throughout history regarding Windows releases, people are willingly choosing to trust their hardware to Microsoft's latest whimsy? I don't know if I should weep for the blatant stupidity and certain demise of mankind, or to admire the blind optimism that such a move entails.

Not everyone have had that bad of examples running windows.

So instead of looking at this as blind optimism, look at is as the question "does Microsoft want my business?"

I'm not cool enough to give a crap about Linux. It's not likely at all that I will go that direction.

If you want to think I'm a moron of some kind, that's not really my problem.

In reply to alfadriver:

Fair enough!

Huh. So the secret to success with Windows 10 is for a wife to play with it. She did and now it's working fine. All of it seemingly.

No ghosting of our friends machine or one drive either.

Bow to the power of a good wife!

foxtrapper wrote: Bow to the power of a good wife!

Hear! Hear!

My computer constantly crashes since windows 10. The video driver is the issue, I can not get it to work. If I don't disable it, the machine will restart in 2 mins. I put about 4 hours into trying to sort it, read several threads on it and still didn't solve it. I FN hate computers.

kanaric wrote: If you are worried about the data your desktop OS collects about you, you should run Linux or FreeBSD, then root, hack and install your own OSS ROMs on your cellphone

FTFY

If it's not open source and transparent... it's not in your best interest to use it. But you will anyway so... be monetized if you like. Whatever. If it ever makes you mad... google EFF.

I really didn't expect this thread to push Linux so hard. It makes me smile to read how many fans there are here.

I really only made the switch myself because I had to at work and it was too nice not to have at home too. I was once amazed that I could go buy hardware and it came with a disk that made it work. I now expect that I can go buy hardware and Linux just makes it work right away.

Recent Linux accomplishments: Google Cloud Print with CUPS; OpenVPN to work; controlling my garage door with a Raspberry Pi; clean hard drive to workstation in 20 min.

With all of that said, I'm still a toddler when it comes to command line and vim.

I find that it would probably work for most people. It won't work if you need to use Excel (for complicated Excel nerd formulas that Openoffice cannot do), need Adobe's creative products, need Quickbooks (or any other mainstream accounting software, even though there is GNUcash), or really are afraid of something new.

I realize that a lot of people will take the free upgrade and smile because they will get another year or two out of an older PC because of the upgrade. Enjoy it. It really does seem like an improvement in usability from previous versions.

Remember, merely educating yourself about Linux, especially security enhanced Linux, is allegedly enough to get flagged by the NSA, if that gives you any idea of how effective it is at keeping you private (i.e. very effective).

My previous experience with Linux was in 2006 when a friend of mine took one my old machines and loaded a version of Redhat for me. My experience then was that I had to look high and low to find drivers for the wireless network card, a media player, and printer drivers.

The stuff was a pain to install because all the documentation was written by software engineers for software engineers. It assumed a knowledge level of Linux that I didn't have yet. I remember thinking, "If the open source community want this to be a serious challenger to Windows and IOS outside of server rooms, they have to provide instructions, documentation and scripts that can and used by more than just the 'cool kids' who do some layer of IT for living." I hope this aspect has gotten better.

asoduk wrote: Recent Linux accomplishments: Google Cloud Print with CUPS; OpenVPN to work; controlling my garage door with a Raspberry Pi; clean hard drive to workstation in 20 min. With all of that said, I'm still a toddler when it comes to command line and vim.

My epiphany moment was when I was playing with some command line option on my router running linux, using a SSH client on my Chromebook running linux (crouton/chroot method). Things suddenly get really easy an convenient when everything in your house runs the same basic operating system.

In reply to Type Q:

Those days are pretty much gone, unless you really want them (e.g. Slackware).

In reply to Kenny_McCormic:

I am glad to hear that. I have been thinking about trying it again. I have been using Open Office, Firefox and other non Microsoft/Google/Apple applications for many years because I like the ethos behind them.

I don't have an inherent love of technology. Computers are tools help to accomplish something. Like many here, I have plenty projects taking my free time and energy already.

In reply to Type Q:

Yeah, that "appliance" style operation you're looking for is definitely available, the occasional initial setup hiccup aside. Getting in the command line is no longer a routine thing a casual user needs to do.

I need to log onto a client's system remotely for work. Their system, so far, does not work with Windows 10. I'm sticking with windows 7 until I need to change.

I played with ubuntu on an old laptop, but that was maybe 6-8 years ago now. If I had a computer that was just mine, I'd try it again, but I can't put it on my work laptop.

So, anymore issue to report?

I'm in the process of trying to migrate my full-to-the-brim 36gb boot drive of Windows 7 to a 3tb drive. Major pain. Can't download cloning software. Drive too full to make system image and Windows thinks that my 300gb data drive is part of the system because I moved user files to that drive.

I've heard newer versions of Windows allow for more seemless migration of the operating system from one drive to another.

PHeller wrote: So, anymore issue to report? I'm in the process of trying to migrate my full-to-the-brim 36gb boot drive of Windows 7 to a 3tb drive. Major pain. Can't download cloning software. Drive too full to make system image and Windows thinks that my 300gb data drive is part of the system because I moved user files to that drive. I've heard newer versions of Windows allow for more seemless migration of the operating system from one drive to another.

No issues so far. Computer runs quite a bit faster and smoother. Did do the anti spam-bot thing so it can't be used for installing on other machines by Microsoft via the web, and did tell it not to give out my router password (not sure how accurate that story really is).

No experience yet with the Netscape replacement, Edge. Just haven't bothered with it.

About your problems cloning your boot drive to another drive, do you need to do this, or are you only attempting to save data? If it's the latter, you might want to simply copy and paste a few directories. Crude, but perfectly effective.

Honestly just about every piece of data that I want to keep is on a second drive, so I'm very close to just hooking up the CD drive and popping in the disk and doing a new install. I'm just trying to do a clone for the challenge and experience of it, I like the idea of bouncing the operating system around to different drives and not having to reinstall every program.

It may come in handy in the future when I upgrade again to an SDD (needed storage first).

After reading some of the early comments on here I decided to jump to Linux Rafael Cinnamon. Previously I couldn't even spell Linux, thought Ubuntu had something to do with baseball, and wouldn't know what to do with a command line to save my life.

I use my home pc as a net surfer and not much else. So far I couldn't be happier with Linux. Boot up times are at least twice as fast as Windows and so is launching Firefox vs Chrome.