I berkeleying hate Apple – Major rant coming from an ex cult member

For the family we’ve used apple products for decades. I loved Apple as it was all simple. It just berkeleying worked. These days Apple is everything they set out not to be. Absolutely nothing is simple. Stuck with iPhone for the spousal unit and she’s comfortable with them. She’s about to buy a new 6S as her old 4S is on its last legs and can’t run updates of apps she needs. She won’t use anything although the teen and I love our android devises. Also stuck with a stupid Macs for home PC's as she can barely use that let alone anything else, but man are they a pain to use these days.

The stupid time machine is a bitch to use. Try finding old pictures on a time machine back up from an older machine. IT’s a PIA. And if you don’t have room on your new hard drive (stepped down from an optical disc to a smaller solid state drive on the latest machine) you can’t just re-load all your own info onto the new machine. It’s really really hard to find stuff when it's buried in a time machine back up. IT”s not just simply in a folder where you can view and search pictures.

Also I now have a cursed with an awful company iPhone which I hate with a passion. At the weekend my personal Android went flat after most of the day so I took some personal pics with the company phone. I’ve just spent over an hour trying to get pictures off my company iPhone onto my company PC with no berkeleying luck. They’ve come in as some stupid .ithmb file format which I can’t read and as It’s a company machine I can’t download any of the .ithmb to .jpg tools. What happened to ‘it just works’ It’s now ‘it just doesn’t work’. They are trying so hard to make things proprietary and or stop the possibility of pirating stuff that they’ve made their machines effectively useless if you live in the real world. So I try to view them through iCloud thinking I can download them from there. No berkeleying luck, you can’t see them. Try viewing them through iTunes for PC, note, that’s what DL’d them in this stupid .ithmb format. I can look at my android pics anywhere on anything. I can view Picassa web on any machine. Why can’t I look at my one pics from an iPhone on a PC, what’s so berkeleying hard about that?

Rant rant rant. Give me android 12 times out of 7 please.

Cliffs:

OP is having trouble retrieving photos from backup, moving photos from work phone to work PC, thus hates all things Apple.

I've got a buddy who swore by Apple products ever since owning the first iPhone. He loved Steve Jobs approach to product design and simplicity. Now, after 10 years of swearing by Apple products he's bailed out. Every electronic device in the house has been sold and replaced with Windows or Android products. As a programmer, he got tired of having to bounce back and forth between an "open" environment and one as restrictive as iOS.

I've got an iPhone 6 as a work/personal phone, but I'd have no problems if they were to assign me an Android phone.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap.

Iphones are awful. I tried to help my mom with her 5s the other day, what a headache.

Then again, I love computers. And an android device is a computer that fits in my hand. I'm also a PC gamer vs a console gamer, for all the same reasons. I want to do things my way, not the way I am told!

You will comply.

I heartily endorse this post.

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I’ve just spent over an hour trying to get pictures off my company iPhone onto my company PC with no berkeleying luck.

Tried iTunes? Bluetooth transfer to your wife's phone? Emailing them to your work email? Posting them online (dropbox, endless other options) to retrieve from your PC?

I'm typing on the last Apple laptop I will ever own. I got one of the last 2012 MacBook Pros. I just dropped 16GB of RAM in it. It is still somewhat repairable. The new "disposable" glued together laptops are useless to me. I hate that Apple has gone this direction with zero upgrade possibilities and downright hostile turn against fixing their products.

I may still consider another Mac Mini, but if they go the disposable route then I'm done with Apple. I'll go back to building my own Windows boxes, or maybe a Hackintosh.

And we won't be buying another iPad. From now on it is cheap Android tablets in our family. The phones are all Moto Gs, so we are already deep in Android country.

Welcome, we're glad to have you out!

Apple stuff "just works" as long as you do things exactly the way Apple dicta- uh, intended, with no deviation, heaven forbid a non-Apple device. I consider Apple to be the most negative force in the history of computing - even worse than the NSA - for popularizing curated computing with the release of the original iPhone. They set back computing a good 30+ years with that move and then had it continue down the wrong path.

I use almost all GNU/Linux stuff, right down to my phone. Only exceptions are an Android tablet which I use as a "carputer" and a Windows gaming PC.

See, I'm not a computer geek. I just want something to work. It used to be if you just wanted something to work then you got an apple product because it would do what you wanted, everything jsut worked. No issues. That was in the days of Windows 95-2000-Vista etc. Nothing was ever easy in those days on PC's so for home use I went apple and for well over a decade never regretted it.

In these days Windows 7 and later with PC's at work, and anything I've touched with Android all just work. I click something and it does what the icon says it will. I plug a device into a Windows, Chrome, Android device or plug it into something else and I can drag and drop files just like I used to do with Apple 5-10-15 even 20 years ago. Now you can't drag and drop apples files. Nothing is berkeleying simple. Jobs should get his lazy ass out of his grave and go do some serious ass kicking in Cupertino. berkeleying quiter up and dying on the world!

My only recent experiences with Apple has been the fiance's iPhone 4s (and moms) and my iPhone 5c. I thought they were basically the same phone, and maybe operationally they are. But the build quality is not there anymore. Same with my dad's 5s--I feel like the "fail" rate is much higher, where it just decides not to work for a few minutes.

The ONLY reason I got an iPhone is that work pays for it, and it has to be apple.

Is it just with Ting, or is it all iphones that can't group message without imessaging? That is infuriating.

I think if Jobs was still alive, Apple would be even worse in all the ways you describe. He was the high priest of the "just works" mentality that's now walled Apple off into their own universe.

A guy on the forum for my phone's OS has a sig that's a technically true statement about computers, and explains why Apple's philosophy is misguided: "Complexity is power, simplicity is restriction"

nderwater wrote:

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I’ve just spent over an hour trying to get pictures off my company iPhone onto my company PC with no berkeleying luck.

Tried iTunes? Bluetooth transfer to your wife's phone? Emailing them to your work email? Posting them online (dropbox, endless other options) to retrieve from your PC?

I'd love too. I tried accessing them through the I-effing-cloud, but that prompted me to update my iTunes on my PC. I’ve done that (I can update that as it's an officially allowed program on work computers). That won’t show me them online, instead it downloads them to my hard drive. It created two folders. One called 'Pod Photo Cache' which is where all the stupid .ithmb files that I can't read are. The other is 'iCloud Photo's' which contains 'My Photo Stream', 'Shared' and 'Uploads' All of these contain 'descktop.ini files but no pictures. I could look into bluooth transfer. e-mailing works for 1-2 pics, but not for 30+ as you have a limit on file size. I've tried uploading to my picassa account on the iphone but I’m having issues with that as well at the moment. God it's a pain and it SHOULDN'T BE. Other devices play nice, but Apple is deliberately putting obstacles in the way for no good reason.

This may be helpful: http://moblivious.com/tips-tricks/import-iphone-photos-videos-to-windows-7-pc/

I keep bouncing between Android, Windows Phone and iPhones.

All of them seem to have achieved the nirvana state of half-assed almost-workingness. Heck, I have close to a hundred photos on one of my Android phones (OnePlus One running CyanogenMod 12.1) that I can't get off there, either. And not for the lack of trying.

Growth covers up many faults at a company. Useful innovation often causes massive growth.

I have argued for years that as soon as apple stops innovating usefully, it will leave as fast as it came. Now that Jobs is gone, they very well may have stopped innovating usefully.

Often, first thing that happens as growth slows is the company will try to 'retain current customers' (you can see that if you are growing with millions of new customers this isn't much of a concern). 'Retaining current customers' under bad management often means 'ask our customers of one product to use our other paid for products', and you can see how that quickly means someone else's most useful solution is shut out.

HiTempguy wrote: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap. Iphones are awful. I tried to help my mom with her 5s the other day, what a headache. Then again, I love computers. And an android device is a computer that fits in my hand. I'm also a PC gamer vs a console gamer, for all the same reasons. I want to do things my way, not the way I am told!

I work on computers all day long, support large windows server environment for a financial entity, I'm go to support guy in the family (aside from my Dad and my older brother), been playing with Windows systems from Dos 5.x to present day.

That said, I've been incredibly happy with my iPhone and every Android device I've used just seems to be more computer work than its worth.

Give me something stupidly simple that just works over yet another computer I have to support and futz with anyday. I've also never had any issues getting pictures off my iPhone 5S, just plug it into the system (if windows, wait for it to install the driver. Again.) and read the pictures like a standard camera. My work laptop has the USB ports locked down and our work iPhone 6 is locked down as well, so I've never tried with those devices.

Most of the PC's in the house are being replaced with Raspberry Pi's running OpenElec and Kodi for HTPC use with a mix of Roku's for Hulu usage. Problem? reboot them and they go back to the way they were configured. Update the OS? grab the SD card and copy the files into place, get back to work.

The few Windows laptops/desktops we own are getting moved to pretty simple versions of Linux because I can't stand Microsoft's crap anymore and I deal with enough of their broken half-assed software at work. When the laptops are finally due to be replaced, there will likely be at least one Mac in the mix.

nderwater wrote: This may be helpful: http://moblivious.com/tips-tricks/import-iphone-photos-videos-to-windows-7-pc/

Sigh, this site is blocked at work so I've submitted a ticket to allow it to be accessed!

Didn't read this all, but try this: When you connect your iPhone via USB to the computer, make sure the phone screen is unlocked and tell it to trust your computer when the message pops up on it. Then, you can pull the phone's memory up in windows explorer and get photos off that way.

However, you will begin cursing at Apple's random folder name designations and spend 10 minutes trying to figure out which folder it is in. At least that's how it usually goes for me

Brokeback wrote: Didn't read this all, but try this: When you connect your iPhone via USB to the computer, make sure the phone screen is unlocked and tell it to trust your computer when the message pops up on it. Then, you can pull the phone's memory up in windows explorer and get photos off that way. However, you will begin cursing at Apple's random folder name designations and spend 10 minutes trying to figure out which folder it is in. At least that's how it usually goes for me

We have a winner. After doing this it then re-sync'd and I can access my pics!!!!

A++ to the GRM community for helping out.
F- to apple for making something that shouldn't have even needed thinking about a three hour odyssey

My only photo issue was only the original images made it off the phone, not the edited versions. That was via sub cable onto a win 7 computer.

Now MS, I will never give them another penny.

nderwater wrote:

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I’ve just spent over an hour trying to get pictures off my company iPhone onto my company PC with no berkeleying luck.

Tried iTunes? Bluetooth transfer to your wife's phone? Emailing them to your work email? Posting them online (dropbox, endless other options) to retrieve from your PC?

Any of these. Hell, you can attach them as a text message to your work email address. The fact that you don't know any of these methods does not mean they don't exist.

If we really want to retread this tired old Ford vs. Nikon bitchfest, let's discuss just how annoying it is to manage Windoze printing at anything more complex than the most basic level. Having to check the same option in 2 different places in 2 different dialog boxes before the printer will believe you? Yup. Always printing the number of copies requested for the previous print job? Yup. Halting the print queue until A4 paper is loaded, when no one in this hemisphere uses A4 paper and it was never requested ever? Yup.

I could go on, but I'm sick of this particular "debate".

When I finally trade in my ahem......iPhone 3s (yes it still works) , I'll probably switch to an android or other non-Apple device. I don't use or need apps, I don't play video games, and I sure as Hell don't have an Apple sticker in my car window.

What I need is a phone that enables me to check email, look up things on the interwebs and actually works as a telephone. (you know....to call people) Apple pisses me off that each time they come out with a new device, their charger changes--- so they get to nickel and dime you into a new cord. They also won't support any older devices....regardless if they still work or not. This disposable mindset irks me.

I also visited an Apple store.....once....that was enough. I've never felt more out of place in any situation than I did there. It actually made me want to kill.

Duke wrote: If we *really* want to retread this tired old Ford vs. Nikon bitchfest, let's discuss just how annoying it is to manage Windoze printing at anything more complex than the most basic level. Having to check the same option in 2 different places in 2 different dialog boxes before the printer will believe you? Yup. Always printing the number of copies requested for the *previous* print job? Yup. Halting the print queue until A4 paper is loaded, when no one in this hemisphere uses A4 paper and it was never requested ever? Yup.

Note that nobody is defending Windows here. Windows is indefensible. And I say that as a guy who has never, and will never, own a Mac.

The hoops I had to jump through to put a clean Windows install on my kids' laptop......

Duke wrote: let's discuss just how annoying it is to manage Windoze printing at anything more complex than the most basic level

I don't think this is windoze fault at all. It usually has to do with a printer manufacturer FORCING you to use their proprietary bullE36 M3 software to print with rather than letting the office software handle it.

Infuriates me as well