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In reply to Flight Service:
In case you missed my edit.
Largest selling album. 1984 Roth. Largest selling single Jump. Roth. Hagar might have been a better "artist" but he had no soul and no style.
That is especially true if you grew up during the Roth era. My ears haven't been the same since.
Toyman01 wrote: Largest selling album. 1984 Roth. Largest selling single Jump. Roth. Hagar might have been a better "artist" but he had no soul and no style.
There are times when people will make a statement about personal tastes, in any field of interest but often in music, where it can be assumed that there is no such thing as "wrong" because we each see the world through our own colored perceptions.
This is NOT one of those times.
tl;dr: No it isn't.
Also, regarding sales. Popularity is the hallmark of mediocrity. The best selling car is either a Camry or a Taurus. Does that mean that either is superior to everything else? No, it means that it is just inoffensively bland enough to appeal to the most amount of people.
hey.. with this argument you are getting what you paid for it
the best arguments are not free.
In reply to Knurled:
Disagree.
Roth was a shiny happy person for certain, but he had the voice and the showmanship. Hagar was good, but he lacked the over the top style that rock bands of the 80s had. Look at Kiss, Motley Crue, Guns and Roses or Ozzy. 80s music was about more than music. It was the show, the lifestyle, the whole package.
VH came to Columbia SC for the 1984 tour. We piled in a antique Volvo and made the 2 hour trip for the show. VH cracked the roof in the Carolina Colosseum during that night. It could be heard 20+ blocks away. I'm pretty sure a un-muffled rotary is quieter. It wasn't just a band playing music, it was over the top entertainment. I can still vividly remember that concert. Hagar just seemed to be missing that and without it, Van Halen just wasn't the same.
When Roth was fired, he tried it on his own. He actually had a couple of pretty decent tunes. Then he crossed the line, from wild hair band, to just plain weird. Too much of a good thing, isn't good. I don't know if he was trying to recapture what he lost or if that is where he wanted to be but, Van Halen probably fired him at the right time. Part of the argument Roth and VH had was about the direction of the band. Roth drug them kicking and screaming to the top and wanted to keep going. Wilder, crazier and stranger. VH wanted to stick with what they loved. Hagar probably fit their style better, but that wasn't the style a lot of their fans liked.
No Roth means no Van Halen or at least a less popular Van Halen. Being good with a guitar only got you so far in the 80s, you had to have the show to go with it.
Most of the people I hung out with, pretty much scratched them off the must have list after Roth left.
Toyman01 wrote: stuff something roth something something something
Showmanship is some t-waffle riding a halfpipe in Vegas on a gold plated Hutch in a diamond-crusted tuxedo. That's making a good show not making a good album.
I was playing off of...
Knurled wrote:Toyman01 wrote: stuff something roth something something something
Ah, but in the 80s the show was as important to making the album as the music was. Maybe more so.
It stands true even today. How often do you see ugly performers in popular music. The show is less exciting, less over the top, but a show it is.
Edit: I'm out, morning will be here too fast. 
Mrs. Woof was a Van Halen nut in the day (we even have a son named Eddy) and it's totally not my kind of music, but even I knew at the time that they were done as soon as diamond Dave left. As much as it's not my thing, I can appreciate the early stuff. Post DLR, IMO, isn't even listenable.
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I am just passing through, so did an argument pop up or just more of the same old warm pissing matches.
nah.
Van Hagar was close but really I wouldn't even call them worthy of the title "pissing matches".
I figured as much, nothing to see here move along.
Yeah, they are arguing about a half rate 80's hair band...
Van Halen sucked in any configuration.
But they did LOOK good.
And in the "music" industry these days, its much more important to look good than to sound good.
In reply to Streetwiseguy:
I guess they looked good, if you are a girl or gay...
Streetwiseguy wrote: Yeah, they are arguing about a half rate 80's hair band...
Their first album came out in the 70's, and NOBODY was doing anything like that back then. I didn't, and still don't like that album, but they deserve credit for it, and they certainly were not a hair band.
In reply to Zomby Woof:
Anything like what? I can't think of anything about their music that was ground breaking.
Nope, you are right. Perfectly sensible rock and roll band.
In reply to Streetwiseguy:
I don't see any hair...more like fur.
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You couldn't be more wrong; automatics are for towing or those who just don't know how to drive.
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