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Tommy Suddard
Tommy Suddard GRM+ Memberand SonDork
8/7/09 7:00 a.m.

No, they add 10 horsepower.

JmfnB
JmfnB GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/7/09 7:00 a.m.

Sheever (Sheep+Driver)

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
8/7/09 7:20 a.m.
Duke wrote: While I agree that Dumbass is a complete dumbass, 3 hours to reflash the stock programming seems ridiculous. Punitive damages?

I had a Liberty towed in, ~24K miles and it was DEAD. No bus network (the communication between various modules in the vehicle). In a case like this, you start by unplugging modules and waiting to see if the bus comes back up. My tech spent the better part of a morning doing this, when he unplugged the radio the bus started coming back up. Plugged it back in, the bus went down again. Aha! Bad radio (yes, the radio can most definitely cause the car not to start).

Um, not quite.

Turns out the owner had an aftermarket Ipod adapter connected to the radio and THAT was what really brought the bus network down. Chrysler supplies their own 'plug n' play' setup, the young lady who owned the car said she bought the AM unit because it was cheaper. Well, after paying 3.5 hours of labor plus the tow bill her savings had evaporated- and then some. She was lucky the radio didn't get cooked, that would have been expensive. She was PISSED, spent a lot of time calling the customer relations line, demanded a meeting with the district rep, all kinds of stuff. I believe he finally sold her the Mopar adapter at like 25% off or something like that but refused to refund her money; it was not Chrysler's doings.

OE VW radios had a data link wire so the VAG could communicate with the radio during diagnostics. It tested a lot like a ground wire so aftermarket radio installers were forever using that as a ground. Problem was it connected to the PCM, transmission module, airbag module, all kinds of stuff. So my VW rep's standing order was this: if a car with electrical problems came in with an aftermarket radio we were to remove the radio as the first step. If the wiring harness plug had been cut off and then spliced to the A/M radio plug, the customer was on their own. OTOH, if one of those 'plug n' play' harnesses (like the ones supplied by Metra) had been used, we were to document that and continue with diagnosis.

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