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thedanimal
thedanimal HalfDork
12/6/17 10:52 a.m.

Where to start? I hit 30 this year, 30 pounds lighter and feeling good about myself. Fast forward to 2 months later, I put all the weight back on and then some. Then my Appendix gave me 2 middle fingers and decided to burst and caused me to spend 5 days in the hospital. Then there were ongoing infections that caused an additional 6 weeks recovery. During that time, I lost some weight and was once again feeling good, then I decided that eating and drinking beer was a better choice, so I put all the weight back on. Now I'm dealing with a pulled groin muscle most likely due to being mostly sedentary and carrying around extra weight. I've had success in the past with losing weight and keeping it off for a few months andI know it's a complete lifestyle change. But I know there's always a better or different way to do this, what are some things that have worked well for you?

itsarebuild
itsarebuild GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/6/17 11:03 a.m.

Find a recreational team sport with people you like being around.

Duke
Duke MegaDork
12/6/17 11:20 a.m.
itsarebuild said:

Find a recreational team sport with people you like being around.

I'm destined to stay fat and sedentary, then.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/6/17 11:20 a.m.

No help, just my rant:

I went on blood pressure meds and quit a five year habit of chewing nicotine gum two months ago and pretty much put on eight pounds overnight (5’9” and 202 berking Lbs. of pasty lard oozing all over the place).

I eat like an angel and I exercise 20 minutes every other day…my only transgression is to suck down two, OK, more like six IPA’s once a week and I’m not entirely sure life is worth living if I give that up so……

BlueInGreen44
BlueInGreen44 SuperDork
12/6/17 11:41 a.m.

We got an enthusiastic puppy.  Now I have to take walks every day and run around outside or she gets bored. Bored puppy starts stealing things and barking at the neighbors.  Hiking is more fun with a furry companion so I get out into the woods more now too.

Probably not a practical solution for everyone... cheeky

I also stopped drinking soda and don't really miss it.  I just drink water at work.  Beer has been relegated to "special occasion" drink status.  (I get one six pack of good stuff per month)  I don't like that but beer is also expensive so I don't complain too much.

STM317
STM317 Dork
12/6/17 11:48 a.m.

Ignore weight. It's only good for tracking trends in your health. The actual number doesn't really matter. What does matter is body composition and the amount of lean muscle vs fat. The heaviest I've ever been was also the healthiest I've ever been (6'1" 207 @ 11% body fat). I weigh less now, but I'm definitely not as healthy. So don't obsess over a number on a scale because it really only shows a small part of the big picture.

The absolute best way to lose fat and reshape your body is by speeding up your metabolism. That way, you burn more calories all the time, even when you're sitting/sleeping/etc. We speed up our metabolism through 2 primary methods: what we consume, and level of activity. In other words, diet and exercise.

I always use the example of your metabolism being like a campfire, and it's your job to keep it burning. Nutritious, protein filled foods would be like firewood, while carb filled foods are more like newspaper. However, If you add all of your firewood at once (like a big meal) then you'll smother the fire. If you only eat carb filled empty calories, it will burn out quickly. So the idea is to eat just enough nutritious, protein heavy foods to keep the fire going for a few hours, and then repeat. You'll ultimately find that switching from eating 3 traditional meals per day, to eating 5 or more healthy snacks per day can help you lose weight without any other changes.

Drinking water helps to increase your metabolism too. It helps your organs function properly, it flushes bad stuff out of your body more efficiently, and it keeps you from drinking tons of calories. Drink a decent sized glass of water every morning when you wake up. Your body needs it after sleeping for several hours. Trips to the bathroom burn calories too.

And that's the final piece of the puzzle. Activity. Burning calories is much easier when you're active. The best activity you can do for improving metabolism is weight training. You don't have to be a body builder, but resistance training 3 times a week for an hour or so each time will help you gain functional strength, it will burn tons of calories while you do it, and (here's the best part) it will burn calories while you're not doing it too. Cardio doesn't work like that. So, running, swimming, etc are great, but they're not going to help you change your body as quickly as weight training will. Focus on your core to start, and from there work on large muscles like your legs since they require more calories to rebuild themselves. If you can't stand the gym, then find something else that works for you and do it frequently. Just don't expect instant results.

So I guess it all boils down to this: Drink lots of water. Eat a protein filled breakfast to start your metabolism and continue to stoke the flames of your metabolism throughout the day with a few small, healthy snacks. Stay active.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
12/6/17 12:10 p.m.

Eat healthy.  Avoid restaurants/processed foods.  No soft drinks.  Read every label and never, ever eat anything with HFCS in it.  Weigh in every day with a digital scale that is repeatable.  Precision more than accuracy in the scale, if you understand the difference, but look every day.  You will see where you screwed up the previous day.  Moderation and healthy foods are the key, with some exercise. 

RossD
RossD MegaDork
12/6/17 12:15 p.m.
wlkelley3
wlkelley3 UltraDork
12/6/17 12:31 p.m.

And you're only 30! Just wait till you almost double that. At 30, I was in great shape. Of course being in the army and assigned to 101st helped that. Running at least 5 miles a day has a tendency to keep you in shape. Long retired now and don't run anymore, bad knees. Didn't start to have issues till mid to late 40's after I put on some extra pounds. A couple years ago my doc said have to change a few things or you'll have to start sticking a needle in you daily. Told me I was pre-diabetic. Doc wanted to nip in the bud before it became full diabetes. Well, that woke me up. Changed my diet and started being more active including gym time. Dropped 30 lbs. and almost back down to my army weight, only got another 5 or so pounds to get to the 170-175 I was in the army. Currently 180 at 5'11". I do feel better, sleep better and have less issues. My knees don't hurt as much. The weight drop was really a side effect of eating more healthy and not overeating. Still get the good stuff once in a while but don't overdo it. Only time I have soda is when I go out to eat. And the water thing mentioned does help. I didn't really pay attention to weight until after I lost weight. Overall condition is more important. I've read that health experts do say getting a dog helps make you active but honestly, if it doesn't fit your lifestyle then there are other ways. I currently don't have a dog and when I did, she wasn't able to take walks anyway. She was very old for a dog.

Just healthy meals in the right portions (portion control) and being active helps considerably. I'm currently 59, taking medicine for blood pressure, cholesterol, thyroid and pre-diabetic. But in better shape than many younger than I am. I'm beginning to believe my thyroid issue is due to my background though. Friends with same background and same age also take thyroid medicine. One doesn't even have a thyroid anymore. We were all army helicopter pilot/Flight Engineer for more than 20 years.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' GRM+ Memberand Dork
12/6/17 12:38 p.m.
Dr. Hess said:

Precision more than accuracy in the scale, if you understand the difference, but look every day. 

I teach Measurement System Analysis for a living…very, very few people appreciate the distinction; I’m impressed.

 

mtn
mtn MegaDork
12/6/17 12:48 p.m.
Dr. Hess said:

Eat healthy.  Avoid restaurants/processed foods.  No soft drinks.  Read every label and never, ever eat anything with HFCS in it.  Weigh in every day with a digital scale that is repeatable.  Precision more than accuracy in the scale, if you understand the difference, but look every day.  You will see where you screwed up the previous day.  Moderation and healthy foods are the key, with some exercise. 

And all the data is trending towards animal products are bad for pretty much everything other than protein intake at best, and carcinogenic at worst. So go as plant based as you can. 

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
12/6/17 12:54 p.m.

In reply to RX Reven' :

They devote an entire ten minutes to it in medical school.  Maybe less.  Maybe one slide in a lecture.  It is an important concept for analyzing test results, so it gets its own slide.

pushrod36
pushrod36 Reader
12/6/17 12:55 p.m.

Mostly echoing what others have said, but stop eating junk and become active are key.

Finding an activity you enjoy helps.  I don't care for sports, but I do enjoy mountain biking. 

If you absolutely loath physical activity you might be able to ease the pain by tying it in with something you do enjoy.  Ride/drive a vehicle you enjoy to some place fun to hike.  Get a job in construction.  Go to an auto-x, and spend the whole time chasing cones. 

KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) PowerDork
12/6/17 1:17 p.m.

STM317 absolutely nailed it.

 

Also, go back in time and pick parents with better genetics.  I lucked out in this regard and got great genetics that keep me a very good shape and health with virtually no exercise whatever.  Some folks fight it every day and still end up shaped like the pillsbury dough boy.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
12/6/17 1:32 p.m.
mtn said:
Dr. Hess said:

Eat healthy.  Avoid restaurants/processed foods.  No soft drinks.  Read every label and never, ever eat anything with HFCS in it.  Weigh in every day with a digital scale that is repeatable.  Precision more than accuracy in the scale, if you understand the difference, but look every day.  You will see where you screwed up the previous day.  Moderation and healthy foods are the key, with some exercise. 

And all the data is trending towards animal products are bad for pretty much everything other than protein intake at best, and carcinogenic at worst. So go as plant based as you can. 

I've been a lacto-vegetarian for almost 30 years now, but I don't push it on others.  Oh, and I put on 40 lbs when I quit eating meat.  Probably something to do with eating regular and not subsiding on a diet primarily consisting of beer and ginger snaps.

thedanimal
thedanimal HalfDork
12/6/17 1:33 p.m.

Thanks for the great insight. I enjoy being active, my problem has always been making my health a priority. I love having a fully stocked kitchen at work, but it's a constant battle of making right choices. There are plenty of healthy snacks, but a bag of lays and a Coke always hit the spot. That being said, I've done it before and I always feel better making the right choice. I also need to bring healthier lunches and not have a lean cuisine or a ham and cheese sandwich. While I could be making worse choices,  these still aren't great. Getting this random injury and how much it hurts to just walk around or drive has really opened my eyes to needing to get this in order before I can't. 

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
12/6/17 1:44 p.m.

Coke:  HFCS.  The stuff is EVIL.  Stop it.  And the "sugar free" versions are not terribly good for you either.  Recent studies show they just make you eat more of other stuff and not lose weight.  The feds are trying to get the word "Diet" removed from the labels.

mtn
mtn MegaDork
12/6/17 1:53 p.m.
Dr. Hess said:

Coke:  HFCS.  The stuff is EVIL.  Stop it.  And the "sugar free" versions are not terribly good for you either.  Recent studies show they just make you eat more of other stuff and not lose weight.  The feds are trying to get the word "Diet" removed from the labels.

Hess, I was under the impression that there is actually nothing inherently wrong with HFCS in and of itself; it is the fact that it is in literally everything that is the problem--too much of anything can become toxic. Thoughts?

We try to avoid it as much as possible, but it isn't something that we've banished from the kitchen (although I'd be surprised if there was anything with any corn syrup anywhere in our house, other than the actual KARO)

sleepyhead
sleepyhead GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/6/17 2:00 p.m.

One other thought, if you find yourself being "sedentary"... stand up.  Sitting is only a little bit "harder" to do (calorically) than sleeping... standing is almost double that.

I recently moved a dresser we we'd replaced, and turned it into a 40" tall standing desk.  GRM/YouTube are now (mostly) all done in front of it while standing.  I'm down 15#s in ~4months from this change (already addressed the no-soda part when I turned 31).

other than that, lots of good stuff already

dropstep
dropstep SuperDork
12/6/17 2:32 p.m.

For turning 30 i got a knee brace, scheduled ankle surgery, a skin cancer check and glasses. Between the ankle and knee pain im 40lbs heavier then ever. About the worst possible thing to do but its hard to do anything after work when you struggle to walk.

Klayfish
Klayfish PowerDork
12/6/17 2:40 p.m.
STM317 said:

Ignore weight. It's only good for tracking trends in your health. The actual number doesn't really matter. What does matter is body composition and the amount of lean muscle vs fat. The heaviest I've ever been was also the healthiest I've ever been (6'1" 207 @ 11% body fat). I weigh less now, but I'm definitely not as healthy. So don't obsess over a number on a scale because it really only shows a small part of the big picture.

The absolute best way to lose fat and reshape your body is by speeding up your metabolism. That way, you burn more calories all the time, even when you're sitting/sleeping/etc. We speed up our metabolism through 2 primary methods: what we consume, and level of activity. In other words, diet and exercise.

I always use the example of your metabolism being like a campfire, and it's your job to keep it burning. Nutritious, protein filled foods would be like firewood, while carb filled foods are more like newspaper. However, If you add all of your firewood at once (like a big meal) then you'll smother the fire. If you only eat carb filled empty calories, it will burn out quickly. So the idea is to eat just enough nutritious, protein heavy foods to keep the fire going for a few hours, and then repeat. You'll ultimately find that switching from eating 3 traditional meals per day, to eating 5 or more healthy snacks per day can help you lose weight without any other changes.

Drinking water helps to increase your metabolism too. It helps your organs function properly, it flushes bad stuff out of your body more efficiently, and it keeps you from drinking tons of calories. Drink a decent sized glass of water every morning when you wake up. Your body needs it after sleeping for several hours. Trips to the bathroom burn calories too.

And that's the final piece of the puzzle. Activity. Burning calories is much easier when you're active. The best activity you can do for improving metabolism is weight training. You don't have to be a body builder, but resistance training 3 times a week for an hour or so each time will help you gain functional strength, it will burn tons of calories while you do it, and (here's the best part) it will burn calories while you're not doing it too. Cardio doesn't work like that. So, running, swimming, etc are great, but they're not going to help you change your body as quickly as weight training will. Focus on your core to start, and from there work on large muscles like your legs since they require more calories to rebuild themselves. If you can't stand the gym, then find something else that works for you and do it frequently. Just don't expect instant results.

So I guess it all boils down to this: Drink lots of water. Eat a protein filled breakfast to start your metabolism and continue to stoke the flames of your metabolism throughout the day with a few small, healthy snacks. Stay active.

Yes, this.  All of this.  I'm pretty into weightlifting and nutrition, and everything stated above is spot on.  This is a lifestyle change, not something you do and then stop once you recompose your body.  Eat properly (not less, but properly).  Exercise...as stated above, cardio is NOT the way to really do it.   Doesn't mean you shouldn't do any cardio, but don't make it the core of what you do.  Weight training is key.  You won't become a meat-head bodybuilder unless you lift and eat that way, so don't worry about it. 

I will add in that I don't necessarily subscribe to the thought of no processed foods, no junk food, no beer, etc...  Unless your goal is to get on stage in a bodybuilding competition, there's nothing wrong with the occasional indulgence.  The key piece is control and moderation, that's where people fall off the wagon.  Have the self discipline to only eat "bad" stuff once a week, or once every other week and stick to it.  I have one cheat meal a week and don't feel the least bit bad about doing it,  I really look forward to it.  It's sort of motivation for all the work during the week.  I have to have blood drawn every few months, and even with my weekly cheat meal, my labs still remain spot on...cholesterol, sodium, blood sugar, etc...and my blood pressure is 120/80 reliably.  If you can build a very solid nutrition base and stick to it, nothing wrong with eating something good once in a while.  In fact, people who try to completely try to purge all "junk" food all the time can wind up falling off the wagon really hard and making things worse than when they started. 

As for dealing with body pain, yeah, that'll happen as you age.  I'm in my mid-40s, and as I mentioned, I work very hard to take care of myself.  But I could give you a laundry list of aches and pains I deal with daily. 

dj06482
dj06482 GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/6/17 2:43 p.m.

One of the best quotes I've heard is "You can't outrun a fork."  I trained for a half marathon earlier this year and after 1.5 hours on the treadmill, I had burned about 1300 calories, which is the equivalent to a dessert at a restaurant.  That really drove the point home to me that no amount of exercise will compensate for sub-par eating habits.  Exercise has a lot of other benefits, but I've found I'm a lot more effective focusing more on what's going in than how much I'm burning off.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth MegaDork
12/6/17 3:02 p.m.

Movement is important. Being able to squat, lift things above your head, touch your toes and properly get up off the floor. I just had the cartwheel conversation with my sister. My claim is that the ability to do cartwheels is a pretty good indicator that you're doing ok. Five in either direction and you'll probably make it another year. When they get hard, time to evaluate. 

KyAllroad (Jeremy)
KyAllroad (Jeremy) PowerDork
12/6/17 3:13 p.m.

https://www.prevention.com/fitness/fitness-tips/stand-sit-test-predicts-longevity

If you are free of physical handicaps, you should be able to do this.  A perfect score is 10 (technically 12 if you get bonus points for sitting and standing with just one leg).

sleepyhead
sleepyhead GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/6/17 4:16 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

Movement is important. Being able to squat, lift things above your head, touch your toes and properly get up off the floor. I just had the cartwheel conversation with my sister. My claim is that the ability to do cartwheels is a pretty good indicator that you're doing ok. Five in either direction and you'll probably make it another year. When they get hard, time to evaluate. 

I think I've done some reading that your ability to do a full rear-to-ankles squat is highly correlated with how long you're able to live alone... since it's correlated to being able to get on/off the toilet unassisted.

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