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Slippery
Slippery GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/22/22 3:28 p.m.

You come across $1.8 million in cash. Legitimately, lol.

No cc debt or car payment.

House mortgage balance $150k on a $750k house.

How would you invest the money and make it grow?

93EXCivic
93EXCivic MegaDork
6/22/22 3:32 p.m.

ProDarwin
ProDarwin MegaDork
6/22/22 3:37 p.m.
Slippery said:

You come across $1.8 million in cash. Legitimately, lol.

No cc debt or car payment.

House mortgage balance $150k on a $750k house.

How would you invest the money and make it grow?

FSKAX

SV reX
SV reX MegaDork
6/22/22 3:53 p.m.

Did I miss something?  
 

Are there $1.8 million opportunities floating around??

NY Nick
NY Nick GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/22/22 4:01 p.m.

Invest and spend the gains...

Next year would have a couple of nice vactions (assuming the market funk ends).

codrus (Forum Supporter)
codrus (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
6/22/22 4:09 p.m.
Grtechguy
Grtechguy MegaDork
6/22/22 4:09 p.m.

In reply to SV reX :

I'd like to know as well.  While I have quite a few years until retirement, an extra 1.8 would look fantastic in my accounts.

aircooled
aircooled MegaDork
6/22/22 4:23 p.m.

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alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/22/22 4:50 p.m.

A diverse portfolio based on when I need the money.  

I would also factor in all aspects of the debt I had- well only the mortgage really- if the interest could be deducted which lowers the effective interest rate (making it easier to beat that rate).

If it was enough to comfortably retire on, then I would look into various toys to get.  

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
6/22/22 4:59 p.m.

I'd probably try to buy a mcdonalds franchise. 

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
6/22/22 5:12 p.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

I'd probably try to buy a mcdonalds franchise. 

Having worked there, and knowing that the margins are paper thin- you would better off making a new fast food place that could become a franchise for other people.   Be the new Chipotle.

(which is to say, I was not impressed with the owner of the 2 stores in my town- not a bad job, but there are better out there)

Driven5
Driven5 UberDork
6/22/22 5:53 p.m.

Most of my "business ideas" probably belong in the 'Wasting $1.8 Million' thread, and even if I'd end up no worse of than I am now I just can't bring myself to do something purely speculative like Crypto... So probably something exceedingly boring, like VTSAX or VFIAX until it becomes enough to be F-U money.

AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter)
AngryCorvair (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/22/22 7:58 p.m.

I'm gonna plow mine into stocks that pay high dividends, in sectors that people can't seem to do without. Won't set any records, but probably Won't get demolished either.

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
6/23/22 9:04 a.m.
Driven5 said:

Most of my "business ideas" probably belong in the 'Wasting $1.8 Million' thread, and even if I'd end up no worse of than I am now I just can't bring myself to do something purely speculative like Crypto... So probably something exceedingly boring, like VTSAX or VFIAX until it becomes enough to be F-U money.

$1.8 million isn't F-U money by itself?

Duke
Duke MegaDork
6/23/22 9:06 a.m.
STM317 said:
Driven5 said:

Most of my "business ideas" probably belong in the 'Wasting $1.8 Million' thread, and even if I'd end up no worse of than I am now I just can't bring myself to do something purely speculative like Crypto... So probably something exceedingly boring, like VTSAX or VFIAX until it becomes enough to be F-U money.

$1.8 million isn't F-U money by itself?

Depends on how old you are and the standard of living to which you would like to become accustomed.

 

RevRico
RevRico GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/23/22 9:50 a.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

I'd probably try to buy a mcdonalds franchise. 

Will 1.8 even buy the arches these days?

Chick filet does a lottery every year for franchisees, costs $10k out of pocket if you win, corporate fronts the rest and has a 5 or 10 year payoff plan. 

Subway is another story. I think the food is disgusting, but in and around Greensburg, PA an area of about 60k people, there are 11 franchises within a 10 minute drive in any direction and they're all profitable. I know two owners and they own 5 locations between them.

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones Dork
6/23/22 10:43 a.m.
STM317 said:
Driven5 said:

Most of my "business ideas" probably belong in the 'Wasting $1.8 Million' thread, and even if I'd end up no worse of than I am now I just can't bring myself to do something purely speculative like Crypto... So probably something exceedingly boring, like VTSAX or VFIAX until it becomes enough to be F-U money.

$1.8 million isn't F-U money by itself?

1.8 isn't even enough to retire on much less FU Money.  There are more people on this board with that much than you'd think. $1.8M does not go far in many parts of the USA.

Steve_Jones
Steve_Jones Dork
6/23/22 10:50 a.m.
RevRico said:
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

I'd probably try to buy a mcdonalds franchise. 

Will 1.8 even buy the arches these days?

Chick filet does a lottery every year for franchisees, costs $10k out of pocket if you win, corporate fronts the rest and has a 5 or 10 year payoff plan. 

Subway is another story. I think the food is disgusting, but in and around Greensburg, PA an area of about 60k people, there are 11 franchises within a 10 minute drive in any direction and they're all profitable. I know two owners and they own 5 locations between them.

Chick Fil A does not have a payoff plan, they own everything, including the real estate and take more than 50% of the profits.  That is why it's only $10k.  They are very picky about who they choose (it's not a lottery) the $10k is just a number to make it legal.  It's all on their website

Beer Baron
Beer Baron MegaDork
6/23/22 10:58 a.m.
STM317 said:

$1.8 million isn't F-U money by itself?

Nope. Pretty sure I'd need at least $10 million for that. Probably closer to $12 million.

I figure ~$6 million to invest and earn enough interest to live on comfortably. $500k for a nice house. $5 million to launch a business (in my case a brewery or distillery) that I would have the freedom to do as much or as little work as I wanted at.

Oh sure. $1.8 million would be AWESOME. I would quit my job and take 3 years to found the business I want, where I want it, how I want it with that kind of money. But I'd still have to work and actively manage my money.

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
6/23/22 11:01 a.m.
Steve_Jones said:
STM317 said:
Driven5 said:

Most of my "business ideas" probably belong in the 'Wasting $1.8 Million' thread, and even if I'd end up no worse of than I am now I just can't bring myself to do something purely speculative like Crypto... So probably something exceedingly boring, like VTSAX or VFIAX until it becomes enough to be F-U money.

$1.8 million isn't F-U money by itself?

1.8 isn't even enough to retire on much less FU Money.  There are more people on this board with that much than you'd think. $1.8M does not go far in many parts of the USA.

I'm certain there are people here with more than that. Comfortably. Maybe it's just a difference in definitions? $1.8 mil should kick off $72k/yr. If I'm getting $72k/yr for no work at all, that's F-U money to me. My current annual take home is under $40k, and there's usually a little money left over. At that point where I'm generating over $70k/yr from investments, I no longer have to work, I'm choosing to for another reason. I'd consider that to be a pretty good definition of "F-U" money. Seems like working longer to earn more than 1.8mil is essentially just trading precious time so you can afford to buy expensive stuff. I guess that's fine, but I don't think 1.8 is a low number at all. If I end up with 1.8mil in retirment and I'm still working, I might feel like I've overdone it.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UltimaDork
6/23/22 11:08 a.m.
STM317 said:
Steve_Jones said:
STM317 said:
Driven5 said:

Most of my "business ideas" probably belong in the 'Wasting $1.8 Million' thread, and even if I'd end up no worse of than I am now I just can't bring myself to do something purely speculative like Crypto... So probably something exceedingly boring, like VTSAX or VFIAX until it becomes enough to be F-U money.

$1.8 million isn't F-U money by itself?

1.8 isn't even enough to retire on much less FU Money.  There are more people on this board with that much than you'd think. $1.8M does not go far in many parts of the USA.

I'm certain there are people here with more than that. Comfortably. But that amount should kick off $72k/yr. If I'm getting $72k/yr for no work at all, that's F-U money to me. My current annual take home is under $40k, and there's usually a little money left over. At that point where I'm generating over $70k/yr without working I no longer have to work, I'm choosing to for another reason. I'd consider that to be a pretty good definition of "F-U" money.

At 4% withdrawal rate (like you used), 72K a year is about 8K under the median US household income, but 15K over the median in Ohio.  I could get by just fine here on 72K, and that'd include hobbies and travel.

STM317
STM317 PowerDork
6/23/22 11:10 a.m.

In reply to eastsideTim :

Median household income in the US for 2020 was $67.5k

Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter)
Paul_VR6 (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
6/23/22 11:16 a.m.

Quit my job and go be a traveling clown or something emotionally fulfilling it's definitely more than 72k/yr in pocket as I'd probably be out half that again buying health insurance for the fam.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim UltimaDork
6/23/22 11:17 a.m.

In reply to STM317 :

That's what I get for grabbing the first stat I find without double checking.  I knew the number seemed high, but though maybe all the increases in wages that have been talked about had an effect.

RevRico
RevRico GRM+ Memberand UltimaDork
6/23/22 11:51 a.m.
Steve_Jones said:
RevRico said:
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

I'd probably try to buy a mcdonalds franchise. 

Will 1.8 even buy the arches these days?

Chick filet does a lottery every year for franchisees, costs $10k out of pocket if you win, corporate fronts the rest and has a 5 or 10 year payoff plan. 

Subway is another story. I think the food is disgusting, but in and around Greensburg, PA an area of about 60k people, there are 11 franchises within a 10 minute drive in any direction and they're all profitable. I know two owners and they own 5 locations between them.

Chick Fil A does not have a payoff plan, they own everything, including the real estate and take more than 50% of the profits.  That is why it's only $10k.  They are very picky about who they choose (it's not a lottery) the $10k is just a number to make it legal.  It's all on their website

Then I have been misinformed, never had $10k sitting around anyway, so never looked all that hard

But that's still a pretty decent deal, only time there's never a line at any chick filet I've seen is on Sundays when they're closed. 

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