Swank Force One wrote: Did i just see a ref set a pick on Patriot #24 to leave the Seahawk #89 wide open? Yes. Yes i did.
that happens pretty regularly … teams are alway trying to use the refs as picks 
Swank Force One wrote: Did i just see a ref set a pick on Patriot #24 to leave the Seahawk #89 wide open? Yes. Yes i did.
that happens pretty regularly … teams are alway trying to use the refs as picks
If I were Brady, I would give Butler that truck he won as the MVP. Brady doesn't need the truck, and Butler served the win up to his team. Brady doesn't have the truck without Butler.
Such a sweet turn of events! I love all the hate the Patriots are getting. Now lets get a final report on the deflated balls.
Butler sure made up for his earlier berkeley up 
Woody, I hope you stayed with the game and didn't switch over to Downton Abbey!
I watched the beginning of the 3rd until Seattle scored a touchdown and turned on Netflix.
In reply to moparman76_69:
You missed an exciting ending.
wbjones wrote:Swank Force One wrote: Did i just see a ref set a pick on Patriot #24 to leave the Seahawk #89 wide open? Yes. Yes i did.that happens pretty regularly … teams are alway trying to use the refs as picks
This, they try to do it all the time, but the ref's are usually made out of Teflon or something.
yeah .. the refs do a pretty good job of getting out of the way … though I have seen (this season) several times where a ref was hit by a pass, and one of those times turned from a potentially long gain into an interception
T.J. wrote: I think halftime was better than Black Eyed Peas, but not as good as Bruno Mars last year.
QFT. My kids thought the Katy Perry show was extremely "cheesy."
I want that shark costume. Badly.
I'm a lifetime Southern New Englander but not a diehard football fan, or baseball for that matter, but I'll follow the Patriots and Red Sox if they make it into the post season. So I was happy with the outcome last night. But more importantly for me, I'm always glad when the Super Bowl is over regardless of who played. It's a milestone (and I like checking off milestones), identifying that a good part of winter is over and we can finally start thinking about spring and better weather ahead ... even though we're getting another nasty winter storm today.
I'm not buying the "worst play call ever" thing. New England had the line stacked and was looking for the run. Seattle's quick slant was aimed at their second-leading receiver of the game (who already had a catch on that drive) and targeted a rookie DB who, until that play, had been an absolute non-factor in the game. It was solid situational football—especially on second down in clear four-down territory. If Lockett makes the catch—which was the most likely outcome based on the above mentioned factors—Pete Carroll is a hero and a genius play caller.
Calling it a terrible play call minimizes the fact that a kid that no one had heard of until that moment found an opportunity to make a play and capitalized on it.
In reply to JG Pasterjak: On top of that, Seattle was playing odds- 7 times Seattle had the ball on the 1 and ran this season- 3 of those scored. Of those, Lynch got the ball 5 times, and scored only once. They replayed them all on SC, and the stacked set up that the Pats had probably would have stopped it. ( he was the only running back, unless Wilson ran a proper run option, which was covered, too)
On the other hand, they DID have man coverage, one of the guys was an undrafted rookie out of a some tiny school in the south. Set up to be a good, but legal, pick as two others tied each other up. (as you point out)
It was not a bad call to make, especially when time was a factor, as were lack of time outs.
New England just out executed that play over Seattle. Simple as that.
Heck, considering the situation, that everyone KNEW they would run- those can be the best times to pass. Lets not take away from Butler who made a really great play. Amazing play, put in perspective.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to JG Pasterjak: On top of that, Seattle was playing odds- 7 times Seattle had the ball on the 1 and ran this season- 3 of those scored. Of those, Lynch got the ball 5 times, and scored only once. They replayed them all on SC, and the stacked set up that the Pats had probably would have stopped it. ( he was the only running back, unless Wilson ran a proper run option, which was covered, too) On the other hand, they DID have man coverage, one of the guys was an undrafted rookie out of a some tiny school in the south. Set up to be a good, but legal, pick as two others tied each other up. (as you point out) It was not a bad call to make, especially when time was a factor, as were lack of time outs. New England just out executed that play over Seattle. Simple as that. Heck, considering the situation, that everyone KNEW they would run- those can be the best times to pass. Lets not take away from Butler who made a really great play. Amazing play, put in perspective.
the reason so many are calling it a bad call isn't so much because of Lynch, but that a short pass over the middle can have so many bad things happen .. one of which did …
to a man, all the talking heads (wonder why they don't have head coaching jobs ) say .. and I tend to agree .. that if a pass was necessary on this play, then it probably should have been some sort of fade … to the taller wide receivers covered by the shorter DB's
put in a place that only the receiver could catch … the result would be A) touchdown, B) incomplete/out of bounds (the same thing)
but regardless, the clock would have stopped .. which was something Seattle really didn't want … they didn't want Brady to have 20+ seconds and either one or two time outs and only need to get to ~ the 30 yr line
I'm from Albany, GA.
So is Ricardo Lockette.
We're so proud.
JG Pasterjak wrote: I'm not buying the "worst play call ever" thing. New England had the line stacked and was looking for the run. Seattle's quick slant was aimed at their second-leading receiver of the game (who already had a catch on that drive) and targeted a rookie DB who, until that play, had been an absolute non-factor in the game. It was solid situational football—especially on second down in clear four-down territory. If Lockett makes the catch—which was the most likely outcome based on the above mentioned factors—Pete Carroll is a hero and a genius play caller. Calling it a terrible play call minimizes the fact that a kid that no one had heard of until that moment found an opportunity to make a play and capitalized on it.
Here's the thing: At some point you have to line up and just impose your will on the other team. The Packers did it against the cowboys in the Ice Bowl game 10,000,000,000 years ago. Did anyone in the stadium and watching on TV that day not know where that ball was going? They were getting some good blocking and Lynch was productive all game.
At the very least, run play-action with a waggle. At least Wilson gets to throw the ball away if there's nothing and they move to third down.
I'm not an NFL coach. I understand the call, but since it didn't work out, I can easily find myself second guessing the call. The worst part other than giving the game away is that it rendered Kearse's amazing catch irrelevant instead of the miracle that lead to winning the game. Oh well, we'll see how things work out next year and what sorta salary cap issues the Hawks run into between Wilson and Lynch. I hope to see them back in the big game.
In reply to wbjones:
I've not heard any of the talking heads talk about a fade pass. I saw most of them agree that the play was correct based on the coverage, and that it was man coverage where a rookie would have been picked by the two other players. Most of the time, a quick slant like that works. A fade would have been a good call, too- probably even with the two guys we were talking about. But that does not mean it was the worst call ever.
What's funny about all of this "worst call ever" talk- it completely minimizes the fact that that a player figured out what was going on, and executed his job better than everyone else did. Had Seattle scored- it would have been a good call. Instead of pointing out that Butler really did an amazing job seeing what was going on AND made a great play, we just assume that the offense made the worst call ever.
Wilson could have thrown the ball a little to the right, which would have made the reciever the only one who could have caught it (and would have made the contact pass interference). The other reciever could have pushed the defensive back into the path of Butler just a little.
Then again, had Seattle converted a 3rd down in the 3rd quarter, when the reciever had the ball in his hands, in scoring position, all of this one play stuff would have probably been moot.
Carroll explains the reasoning behind the play that led to the Patriots' interception.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12266125
T.J. wrote: I'm not an NFL coach. I understand the call, but since it didn't work out, I can easily find myself second guessing the call. The worst part other than giving the game away is that it rendered Kearse's amazing catch irrelevant instead of the miracle that lead to winning the game. Oh well, we'll see how things work out next year and what sorta salary cap issues the Hawks run into between Wilson and Lynch. I hope to see them back in the big game.
Are you a Seahawks fan or a Patriots hater? I think I know the answer already, but have to ask. There are so many haters out there.
In reply to Mazdax605:
Seahawks fan. The only teams I always root against are the Cowboys and Ravens. The Pats are irrelevant to me as in I don't really care about them either way.
T.J. wrote: Oh well, we'll see how things work out next year and what sorta salary cap issues the Hawks run into between Wilson and Lynch. I hope to see them back in the big game.
Hopefully Seattle goes back to irrelevance starting next season.
T.J. wrote: I'm not an NFL coach. I understand the call, but since it didn't work out, I can easily find myself second guessing the call. The worst part other than giving the game away is that it rendered Kearse's amazing catch irrelevant instead of the miracle that lead to winning the game. Oh well, we'll see how things work out next year and what sorta salary cap issues the Hawks run into between Wilson and Lynch. I hope to see them back in the big game.
really don't see them giving Lynch a big contract … he's too old … pay him a big bonus ..sort of a "thank you for what you've done" payment, then sign him to a reasonable "old person" running back salary … keeping in mind that most NFL contracts aren't guaranteed .. they can cut him at any point with zero cap implications
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