For all his comments about fat Americans, Jeremy ought to fit right in. I know, he does it to be "funny" and to maintain his image of outrageousness, but it gets old, particularly coming from an equally fat Brit. Hope this doesn't hurt the show, because I still love watching the Stig's laps. And I really liked watching Ricciardo.
Nick_Comstock wrote: I probably will not watch it without him. I find Hammond extremely annoying, but like May a lot. I liked the old Top Gear too and would likely watch it if they went back to that format. But if they try to keep Hammond and May and replace Clarkson it will absolutely not work. I would rather it go away completely.
I agree with this. Clarkson is the guy I love to hate. He's a necessary component in the chemistry of the show. They may replace him, but it won't work, just like the other versions of the show don't work nearly as well. This is the original, and there won't be another.
Clarkson is the Eric Cartman of Top Gear 
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
...and those Clarkson quotes are funny. The (civilized Western) world can't be so PC that people can't make outrageous statements in the name of humor. He's famous for being a sharp-tongued/penned satirist and the majority of things he says are very clever and smart.
gamby wrote: In reply to Adrian_Thompson: ...and those Clarkson quotes are funny. The (civilized Western) world can't be so PC that people can't make outrageous statements in the name of humor. He's famous for being a sharp-tongued/penned satirist and the majority of things he says are very clever and smart.
Yeah. I don't like political correctness, but I'm not sure how anyone can take something he's said and actually be offended by it. If they are, then they clearly don't know him, or else they're a perpetually unhappy person. Some of that stuff was over the line, sure. If I heard my future kids say some of it, they'd be in trouble. If I said some of it in any forum that included more than certain family members and about 2 friends, I'd be in trouble. But I'm not Clarkson, and I don't normally say that, and I'm not normally that kind of an ass.
He's an equal opportunity offender. People today are so PC that you can't be satirical anymore. I've heard more than one comedian complain about modern audiences.
I'm sure he's arrogant and a pain in the ass, but truth is, the show simply will not survive without him. And it's unlikely he will do as much either if he leaves or gets fired. Once you have the magic that they seem to have, it's almost impossible to duplicate.
If I were in charge of BBC, I would probably fine him and give him a week off, but that would most likely be it. The producer involved may want to file a criminal complaint, and that would be a different story. If he did and was convicted, then I would fire him.
GameboyRMH wrote: I think his comments about Mexicans should be on there. The "bridge with a slope on it" and the time he muttered the N-word under his breath as part of an old nursery rime in an unaired taping probably deserve a mention too. Still I find Clarkson way less offensive than Jack Baruth. When Clarkson says these things, you can tell he's just doing it for the sake of humor and being an ass so it's harder to get offended. Jack Baruth's barbs are more subtle but they feel like they're intended to be hurtful first and foremost. Clarkson apologized profusely for unintentionally muttering the N-word. Baruth on the other hand trivialized present-day racism and barely stopped short of using "SJW" in his article about Clarkson's suspension.
For far too many people though, they lack a sense of humor and actively search for anything and everything to be offended by. Hell, the French I know chuckle at Clarkson's jokes about them just the same as I do about the American jokes. Personally, I think there is a context that people willfully forget.
racerdave600 wrote: He's an equal opportunity offender. People today are so PC that you can't be satirical anymore. I've heard more than one comedian complain about modern audiences. I'm sure he's arrogant and a pain in the ass, but truth is, the show simply will not survive without him. And it's unlikely he will do as much either if he leaves or gets fired. Once you have the magic that they seem to have, it's almost impossible to duplicate. If I were in charge of BBC, I would probably fine him and give him a week off, but that would most likely be it. The producer involved may want to file a criminal complaint, and that would be a different story. If he did and was convicted, then I would fire him.
If any one of us did what was alleged- including just the verbal barrage of bad words, we would be fired. It would take a month with the review and all, but fire it is.
I don't understand how "stars" get a different treatment.
On the other side of things- perhaps Clarkson needs to be more less PC about what other people say and do to him, so that he does not explode. Interesting that he can dish it out, but apparently can't take it.
In reply to alfadriver:
Nah, at my job it'd probably work out to being like the Bob Barker vs Happy Gilmore fight....
alfadriver wrote:racerdave600 wrote: He's an equal opportunity offender. People today are so PC that you can't be satirical anymore. I've heard more than one comedian complain about modern audiences. I'm sure he's arrogant and a pain in the ass, but truth is, the show simply will not survive without him. And it's unlikely he will do as much either if he leaves or gets fired. Once you have the magic that they seem to have, it's almost impossible to duplicate. If I were in charge of BBC, I would probably fine him and give him a week off, but that would most likely be it. The producer involved may want to file a criminal complaint, and that would be a different story. If he did and was convicted, then I would fire him.If any one of us did what was alleged- including just the verbal barrage of bad words, we would be fired. It would take a month with the review and all, but fire it is. I don't understand how "stars" get a different treatment. On the other side of things- perhaps Clarkson needs to be more less PC about what other people say and do to him, so that he does not explode. Interesting that he can dish it out, but apparently can't take it.
I've worked in TV before and don't know if would be any different...I'm not sure you couldn't get away with that where I work now.
racerdave600 wrote: He's an equal opportunity offender. People today are so PC that you can't be satirical anymore. I've heard more than one comedian complain about modern audiences.
Exactly. This is the result of all of the massive coddling that has gone on over the past generation. People now WANT to be offended just so they can express it in a fit of self-righteousness. Greg Fitzsimmons and Joe Rogan have complained about the lessening ability of comedians to be truly edgy/satirical.
I love when Clarkson offends Americans. He's merely expressing how the rest of the world sees us--and it's funny.
alfadriver wrote: I don't understand how "stars" get a different treatment.
Because this particular star is paid to be that arrogant ass..
So what if he did take a swing at somebody? As long as that person was not a black muslim lesbian I don't see the problem...
In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences. Get over it you bunch o pansies.
Solution: THUNDERDOME.
Two men enter. One man leaves.
Two men enter. One man leaves.
In reply to doc_speeder:
I'd read he berated a guy on the production team for about a half hour because the hotel they were staying at didn't have a chef around to cook Clarkson a steak late in the evening.
Here's the thing; they're in a professional atmosphere, there to do work. You don't do stuff like that as a professional and not get called out on it. There's no reason the BBC should support something like that going on. I like Clarkson and never worried too much about what he said on the show. But throw a tantrum, get sent to time out. Easy call.
Trans_Maro wrote:alfadriver wrote: I don't understand how "stars" get a different treatment.Because this particular star is paid to be that arrogant ass..
It's one thing to play that on a TV show. But letting that character get out of hand to the people that you work for as well as the ones that work for you isn't acceptable.
Here's a follow up question- how far do you let it go before it's too far, then? Berate a little kid who is a fan? Punch a woman assistant?
doc_speeder wrote: So what if he did take a swing at somebody? As long as that person was not a black muslim lesbian I don't see the problem... In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences. Get over it you bunch o pansies.
We have lived in the world where the strong lorded over the weak. That sucked.
alfadriver wrote:doc_speeder wrote: So what if he did take a swing at somebody? As long as that person was not a black muslim lesbian I don't see the problem... In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences. Get over it you bunch o pansies.We have lived in the world where the strong lorded over the weak. That sucked.
Seriously? You're drinking a fair bit of KoolAid if you think we still don't...
doc_speeder wrote:alfadriver wrote:Seriously? You're drinking a fair bit of KoolAid if you think we still don't...doc_speeder wrote: So what if he did take a swing at somebody? As long as that person was not a black muslim lesbian I don't see the problem... In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences. Get over it you bunch o pansies.We have lived in the world where the strong lorded over the weak. That sucked.
I think he meant physically strong, in which case he's correct.
doc_speeder wrote:alfadriver wrote:Seriously? You're drinking a fair bit of KoolAid if you think we still don't...doc_speeder wrote: So what if he did take a swing at somebody? As long as that person was not a black muslim lesbian I don't see the problem... In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences. Get over it you bunch o pansies.We have lived in the world where the strong lorded over the weak. That sucked.
Here in the US, I don't have to worry about some big person who could beat me up when I disagree with them. That's kind of nice. Especially here at work, I know that someone can't hit me if they disagree with me. Then again, I'm held accountable for what I say, too. I can't rant and rave over some BS item like what food is avaialbe at lunch- being that unprofessional makes me lack a profession in the end.
I know other parts of the world, the strong lord over the weak. Which is a good way of supressing thought. And I don't want to live in those places.
doc_speeder wrote: In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences.
...And then beat their wife and kids when they similarly couldn't control their temper at home.
Driven5 wrote:doc_speeder wrote: In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences....And then beat their wife and kids when they similarly couldn't control their temper at home.
Nah, that's just Ireland.....
yamaha wrote:Driven5 wrote:Nah, that's just Ireland.....doc_speeder wrote: In the not too distant past, that's the way "men" settled differences....And then beat their wife and kids when they similarly couldn't control their temper at home.
Right. I forgot that spousal abuse has also been completely resolved.
doc_speeder wrote: Right. I forgot that spousal abuse has also been completely resolved.
Right. First it was ok, because that's the way it used to be. Now it's also ok, because it still happens.
Driven5 wrote:doc_speeder wrote: Right. I forgot that spousal abuse has also been completely resolved.Right...Because if it still happens, that somehow makes it ok.
Huh? WTF? All I'm saying is that all the people that think we've progressed as a society (and I mean USA/CANADA/etc) SO FAR past violence as a means to solving problems are living in a self-righteous little bubble. My first post in this thread was straight sarcasm. As are the rest of them. But none of you are able to pick up on that due in part perhaps to blurred vision from looking out through said bubble. Jeez you guys. Of course it's not OK.
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