So who's telling the truth here? As a former Daytona Speedway employee, I can tell you that NASCAR is definitely corrupt at the top and some shady stuff happens out there. But would they really rig positives for meth and payoff a family member to get rid of a driver? I don't know which side to believe but the thought of a NASCAR driver possibly being stoned on meth in those massive packs of cars at 190MPH is scary!
Wow! I guess the rednecks are just as bad as the F1 people.
The thought of driving one of those and not being stoned is scary. 40 cars, four wide, four inches apart at almost 200mph. Not me dude.
Toyman01 wrote: Wow! I guess the rednecks are just as bad as the F1 people. The thought of driving one of those and not being stoned is scary. 40 cars, four wide, four inches apart at almost 200mph. Not me dude.
Hmm, F1 drivers are druggies, or the FIA/FOM/FOTA are corrupt.
Which comparision are you implying?
He should do like the sailors I know. After the idiot professional 3rd mate ran the Exxon Valdez up on a rock in the middle of nowhere, the feds instituted manditory drug testing for sailors. Before you went on a ship, you had to pass a drug test. This all happened after I quit sailing, but my friend told me what you did was: Go do your drug test, then immediately go to a testing lab across the street (wherever) and do another drug test that you pay for out of your pocket. If the first test comes up positive (statistically possible, without getting into the math here), then you can say "Look, here's another test done on the same day at the lab across the street and they said the results were negative." A false-positive drug test can mean the end of your career and destroy your life. You people in positions that have these things should remember this.
As a side note, we all knew that a disaster was waiting up there at Valdez. The deck department wouldn't sleep for 3 days, basically from the time you hit Prince William sound until you left Prince William Sound. And you loaded crude oil at 4 million gallons an hour for close to 24 hours of that.
I keep hearing people talk about false positves and how common they are. I have been tested more times than I can count, as have most of the people I work with. In 9 years I've seen two people fail a drug test and both admited they were using. I'm curious how often a false positive really happens.
P71 wrote: ...but the thought of a NASCAR driver possibly being stoned on meth in those massive packs of cars at 190MPH is scary!
[disclaimer] I'm not insinuating ANYTHING by this...and I really don't even know if my memory is accurate [/disclaimer]
However, I seem to remember something about the military having some involvement with methamphetamines (or some similar substance) back in one of the wars. Something about keeping pilots in their prime on bombing missions or the like. Someone with more facts that foggy memories might chime in.
Clem
The military (and ADD patients) use amphetamines, not methamphetamine. "They say" the difference is like a sledgehammer versus a ball peen hammer. Perhaps some of our more "hip" readers can explain it better. Amphetamines were (still are?) used for pilots on very long flights and for some combat troops.
I've known some bikers who used to do meth. They said that after doing it you felt like freakin' Thor - God of Thunder on a motorcycle. You could ride for days and at least feel incredibly alert.
The story you relating about pilots and all makes sense with that bit of data.
The Air Force was supplying pilots with amps of some sort; one of the possible side effects was psychosis. 
Not good when flying an umpty million dollar aircraft loaded with weaponry.
It's not real common anymore but poppy seed rolls can cause a false positive for heroin. Mythbusters did a segment which confirmed that. The thing is, you have to have eaten the rolls within a pretty short period prior to the test, it seems the opiates are excreted pretty quickly.
I have heard (it's unconfirmed) that if you do not smoke pot but you go to a concert or whatever where pot is being smoked that it's possible to test positive for THC the next day due to the smoke floating around which you can't help but inhale.
can't ,believe mother in law narked him out <<<< seen him use 30 times over last 7 years . Iseen him in pocono he looked fat from beer not skinny from meth
Dr. Hess wrote: The military (and ADD patients) use _amphetamines_, not methamphetamine. "They say" the difference is like a sledgehammer versus a ball peen hammer. Perhaps some of our more "hip" readers can explain it better. Amphetamines were (still are?) used for pilots on very long flights and for some combat troops.
Thanks for clearing that up. For some reason my memory or info must have been awry. The former is completely SOP for me. I guess the latter is also ;)
My 16 year old son takes amphetamines. HE can focus and get his homework done and turned in.
he is just wiered that way.
We actually get a better car insurance rate for him, because ADD patients who are on amphetamines are more focused drivers. Weird, huh?
During the summer he gets a drug holiday, so we give him coffee ro diet mounta dew in the morning so he is not all over the place.
I can see a driver who wants to focus using amphetamines. however you have to test it out, as some poele get more focused and other people get bat E36 M3 crazy using it. It all depends on your brain chemistry.
Apparently he tested positive again this week. He is claiming NASCAR is testing improperly.
Karl La Follette wrote: can't ,believe mother in law narked him out <<<< seen him use 30 times over last 7 years .
Can you trust a murderous whore? http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4330592
I have no idea who's actually in the right on this issue. With that said, I'm only too happy to see someone stand up to NASCAR about anything. I'm no NASCAR hater, but I have no love for the current bunch of guys in charge.
Just a side note:
As a pharmacist in rural america (and a recent college graduate) I can tell ya meth or amphetamines either one are quickly replacing opiates and anti anxiety drugs as 1st choice. A high school flunky can make meth in the basement with just a few things...what is really sad are the "kids" who really dont need the legal amphetamines for add or any other condition who optain them legally as study helpers. I mean if you are 100% focused you can cut studying time for finals in half or better. We really dont know what the long term effects of "legal" stimulants are yet (given to a patient that doesnt really need them) but it is trending to development of bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and the like. Really scarry!
Is that why I was such a bad student...no drugs? 
Seriously though, I was a BAD student. I really have no idea how I made it through engineering school.
Clem
it just makes sense. Even if he was using them.. he managed to get an injunction issued against his suspension with the stipulation they can test him at any time.. what person would continue to use them?
mad_machine wrote: it just makes sense. Even if he was using them.. he managed to get an injunction issued against his suspension with the stipulation they can test him at any time.. what person would continue to use them?
um, an addict? Yep, an addict who wants to quit and probably knows that not being able to race will just push him further into drugs.
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