I never callled a combat vet a bitch grizz. I called zimmerman one.
I never callled a combat vet a bitch grizz. I called zimmerman one.
Jaxmadine wrote: Ive been in situations like that. Guy tries to stop you, u tell him to piss off, then guy grabs you. So you escalate the situation, and begin using lethal force. Not saying thats how it went down, never watched any of that crap on tv.
FTFY
Ftfy? Not what I said at all.
And I was letting you know that they all had the same mindset as Zimmerman. As do I.
Someone is on top of me trying to beat my ass, I'm going to kill them.
Jaxmadine wrote: See where I come from, you dont shoot someone just because you got your ass kicked. Oh wait. Im from florida. Apparently you do. Thats the problem with the stand your ground law, it doesnt explain what fear for your life is. A little bitch of a person would think differently as say, an ex combat vet. Bad decisions on top of bad decisions. If zimmerman didnt have a gun, I doubt he would have gotten out of his truck. And if treyvon wasnt a punk kid from miami, he prolly wouldnt have beaten zimmerman. just odd how zimmerman didnt testify
QFT
Qft? Your mind set is that of a deranged man grizz. I suggest counseling to let those anger issues out. And no, all my budddies who have served do not like to kill, and avoid it at all costs.
Jaxmadine wrote: Qft? Your mind set is that of a deranged man grizz. I suggest counseling to let those anger issues out. And no, all my budddies who have served do not like to kill, and avoid it at all costs.
Ummmmm....do you always call someone "a deranged man" when they agree with you? [In this case....nevermind]
QFT = Quoted For Truth.
QFT = "Quoted for truth"
For those of you saying that Zim should have just let the guy beat him and basically turned the other cheek I ask you have you ever been in that situation?
It's not as simple as the Monday morning quarterbacking where you can sit back and look at your options, weigh the pluses & minuses, decide what might be the most appropriate response &/or decide I think I'll just take the beating that might leave me crippled, brain damaged, blind in one or both eyes, disfigured, etc., etc.
I have been there and you really do fear for your life. Had I had the means I too would have used whatever was at hand. Had there not been other people close by I do not believe I would be here today.
It is not as simple as many have tried to make it out to be.
I have been in that situation. And when ur getting ur head stomped to the curb you really cant think or even see or feel for that matter. When the beatong does stop and you can see and you take the 2x4 laying next to you and hit the guy in the head to get away. The cop then charges YOU with assault with a deadly weapon. Nevemind the gang that jumped you. However, killing is still not right. But the trick is to not get yourself in that situation in the first place.
Jaxmadine wrote: Your mind set is that of a deranged man grizz. I suggest counseling to let those anger issues out. And no, all my budddies who have served do not like to kill, and avoid it at all costs.
I don't actually have anger issues. I'm easygoing almost to a fault.
I'm just not stupid. My health is the most important thing, I've been in situations like that, and have done my damndest to get out of them without getting sent to the hospital or dying. On many of those occasions, had I had a gun, I would be in the same boat Zim is in.
And if your buddies ideas of avoiding it at all costs includes their own death or serious impairment, they were poorly trained. Your head is the most important thing you have, protect it at all costs lest you end up a vegetable or worse.
Jaxmadine wrote: But the trick is to not get yourself in that situation in the first place.
Which is neither here nor there. He was in that situation. Where you go from there is what was being discussed. Reasonable force based on fear of life was used (determined by the courts). That's not racist or a reason for riots.
carguy123 wrote: For those of you saying that Zim should have just let the guy beat him and basically turned the other cheek I ask you have you ever been in that situation? It's not as simple as the Monday morning quarterbacking where you can sit back and look at your options, weigh the pluses & minuses, decide what might be the most appropriate response &/or decide I think I'll just take the beating that might leave me crippled, brain damaged, blind in one or both eyes, disfigured, etc., etc. I have been there and you really do fear for your life. Had I had the means I too would have used whatever was at hand. Had there not been other people close by I do not believe I would be here today. It is not as simple as many have tried to make it out to be.
What this guy said. Black, white, purple, green. I've quite literally had the exact same thing happen to me before. Aside from the fact that it hurts like hell, you immediately go to extremes. There is no "maybe he's only gonna kick my ass". It's life or death. Had I been armed, I'd have had to do this trial.
The one thing that amazes me about this case is that the general public on both sides is absolutely sure about what happened that night.
In reply to HiTempguy:
I think that's the problem. I haven't followed the case too closely but my understanding is that Zimmerman called the cops then got out of the car maybe not seeking but definitely inciting an altercation.
Florida makes it very clear when you get your CWP (source I have one and took the class) that you should try to avoid that situation when possible. My worthless .02 is that Zimmerman called the cops and should have left it. Anything else is manslaughter. But yes it isn't a clear cut case.
I'll say this, and them I'm out. This is escalating quickly.
The burden of proof was on the prosecution. They failed to prove his guilt. He was found not guilty.
In everything there are two sides, only two people know the truth and only one of those is around to tell it.
One of the two chose not to speak, the other couldn't.
Poor parents. Poor kid.
When I was his age...living in South Florida, I got into more than one fight. Fights that other people started, fights that I was trying to break up that turned into other fights, DEFINITELY fights where, apparently, "the other guy" would've been justified in shooting my ass dead.
I think, as the law is written, the verdict makes sense. It probably should've never gone to trial, but for the race-pimps.
200 people, mostly black, MURDERED in Chicago so far this year, including (last weekend) a 5 and 7 year old...who weren't pounding someone's head in. Apparently Al & Jesse were too busy soakin up the rays to put the rainbow posse on the bus and march for that one. Dispicable.
Poor family. Poor kid. I'm glad that at least this part is over for them.
carguy123 wrote: For those of you saying that Zim should have just let the guy beat him and basically turned the other cheek I ask you have you ever been in that situation?...
I really don't have an issue with the use of force at that point (he kind of had to at that point since he had a gun on him). My concern is that he essentially put himself into that situation. A situation he probably would not have gotten into if he was not armed. To be clear, as it sits, it is unlikely he did anything illegal, but I still think it was wrong or at least reckless.
I see his actions as an example of somewhat irresponsible gun ownership. Not being an actual peace officer he really should have a heightened responsibility to avoid such situations since the end result is likely a death (either him, or the other person), rather then a beating .
I don't know the exact specifics of the situation (and I don't think anyone really does) so I am willing to admit the situation may not have been as I am assuming.
In reply to aircooled:
Ding ding ding . . . If he stayed in his truck, nothing would've gone down that night.
Edit: IMHO, once he decided to not follow the dispatcher's instruction by staying his vehicle he was responsible for (just as TM was) anything that could have happened after that.
I don't know much people who would pursue a "suspicious" character if they are unarmed.
In reply to Strike_Zero:
And none of that matters once the fight started.
I would almost agree Grizz if there were two sides to this story, but we only have one.
It's not like they bumped in an alley or a bar and some E36 M3 went down . . .
Can you really say if GZ stayed in his truck, a fight would've broken out, GZ getting his ass whooped and fatal ending to teen's life?
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that didn't happen, so it doesn't matter. Whatifs and all that.
What I will say, is if Georgie boy is smart, he'll get the hell out of Florida and move to somewhere where "the hood" can't catch up to him. Like Montana.
Also I'd call a lawyer and see what you can get from a national news station publishing your SSN and home address.
Grizz wrote: What I will say, is if Georgie boy is smart, he'll get the hell out of Florida and move to somewhere where "*** ****" can't catch up to him. Like Montana. Also I'd call a lawyer and see what you can get from a national news station publishing your SSN and home address.
That I can agree on . . . but I still opine once he decided to follow after instructed not to, he should be accountable for what happened.
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