He wasn't instructed by anyone. A civilian dispatcher told him they didn't need him to follow, and he responded with ok. Das it.
He wasn't instructed by anyone. A civilian dispatcher told him they didn't need him to follow, and he responded with ok. Das it.
I wonder how many arguably innocent teenage-early 20s kids have been shot in Detroit, Chicago, LA, etc. between Martin dieing and the end of trial, and how little news coverage they got.
My view on the whole mess is some dumbass with a gun thought he could berkeley with some other dumbass and never get in any physical trouble over it thanks to his new dick extension, ended up in a not Hollywood-esque, real, actual fight, and killed some dumbass kid. Normally you wouldn't hear jack squat about something like this, but because said dumbass had been licensed to have said gun, the dumbass recorded the whole thing, and the two dumbasses were different colors, everybody has to get butthurt about it for some dumbass reason.
Lets forget about such trivial bullE36 M3 as one dumbass being shot by another, and move on with more important parts of life, this thread is now about pie.
In reply to Kenny_McCormic:
Incorrect, this is the internet after all.
Now about kitties.
"Not guilty" is not the same as "innocent".
Wow. Such ignorant remarks from some people. When Zimmerman ends up in this same situation in less than three years, what will you say then?
He has had charges of domestic violence and resisting arrest with violence brought against him before. It's in his public records. His federal judge daddy tried getting them expunged, but could only get the charges "dropped".
There's no good or easy answer to this whole screwed up mess. Neither Martin nor Zimmerman were/are completely innocent, both bore responsibility for the situation. Only they know the full truth of how the whole thing went down and neither of them are talking, just for different reasons.
The thing to remember is this: 'not guilty' means 'we of the jury didn't have enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt'. As Beer Baron says, it does not mean 'innocent'.
Curmudgeon wrote: There's no good or easy answer to this whole screwed up mess. Neither Martin nor Zimmerman were/are completely innocent, both bore responsibility for the situation. Only they know the full truth of how the whole thing went down and neither of them are talking, just for different reasons. The thing to remember is this: 'not guilty' means 'we of the jury didn't have enough evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt'. As Beer Baron says, it does not mean 'innocent'.
Couldn't have said it better my self.
Just a bad situation all around.
Yes. We have no idea who started the fight, what was said, or any of the details. He didnt testify so we will never know. Bad decisions led to bad decisions. Everyone is an idiot.
I just hope this isn't a vision of things to come.
Curmudgeon wrote: I just hope this isn't a vision of things to come.
I got a feeling it will degrade into civil suit hell, like oj.
Curmudgeon wrote: I just hope this isn't a vision of things to come.
Again, 200 people, mostly black, MURDERED in Chicago this year. Is a black life only worth something when it's taken by someone of another race? Great message for the kids, Jesse.
While I'm thinking of it, I'd just like to take a moment to thank the mass media for hyping the hell out of this. Yeah, that's right, you cynical clowns on the so called news shows picked something which had all the 'right' attributes to incite fear, hatred and loathing and played it 24/7 for ratings so your companies could sell more advertising. It's cheap content, you don't have to think, makes for a fat profit margin. Just like that Arias chick and all the lurid talk of anal sex.
You'll go looking for another similar story now, gotta keep those rating s up.
And you clowns in the mass media wonder why no one has any respect for so called journalists any more.
Meanwhile, the NAACP petition to get the DOJ to open up a federal civil rights case against zimmerman is down. Don't know if flooded(my guess) or H4x053D
http://www.naacp.org/DOJ-petition-TWT
In reply to Curmudgeon:
You beat me to it. Also glad to hear MSNBC ratings have hit a 6 year low. I could add alot more to go with your post that would have had some good points I think, but I'll just go to the rant section later
My official opine:
If you are going to fight a stranger you have to think about what happens if he has a knife or gun BEFORE it makes a hole in your guts.
If you are going to follow someone around and they see you doing it - you have to be prepared to fight them.
When two people fight - sometimes one of them dies.
The prosecution didn't convince 12 people they had enough evidence to take a man's liberty away based on what they were able to present even when the carrot of lesser charges was dangled to make it easier on their conscience.
The criminal justice system said innocent of all charges. Therefore, he is innocent.
poopshovel wrote:Curmudgeon wrote: I just hope this isn't a vision of things to come.Again, 200 people, mostly black, MURDERED in Chicago this year. Is a black life only worth something when it's taken by someone of another race? Great message for the kids, Jesse.
Well YEAH- because whitey is the bad guy! Black on black crime is fine, black on white crime is fine, but when the white man is the aggressor, then we have problems. Don't you know this?
"If one of them touches one of us and isn't punished there will be blood in the streets."
Racially based Terrorism, plain and simple. Doesn't matter what color the "us" happen to be or what color the "them" are, it's all the same bullE36 M3.
More than once I've had to defend myself due to the color of my skin and the fact that I'm going bald.
I'm sad for the kid's parents, not only for the loss of their son but for being pimped out to further someone else's agenda.
Meanwhile in Florida, Firing a warning shot gets you 20 years in prison.
Shoot to kill in Florida, I guess.
In reply to bastomatic:
A: You don't fire warning shots. That bullet is going somewhere. People have died from morons firing into the air. At best reckless endangerment, at worse negligent homicide
B: There's a big difference between "shooting someone who is on top of you bouncing your head off the pavement" and "leaving, getting a gun and coming back to shoot someone" Guess which one is covered under stand your ground?
C: It's shoot to kill everywhere brochacho.
If you fire a warning shot, it can be argued that you didn't really fear for your life, that you just wanted to scare the E36 M3 out of someone. Shooting to scare the E36 M3 out of people is not OK. Shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all.
Holding a gun is effectively "a warning shot". No need to prove it's loaded by firing a shot.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: ...If you are going to fight a stranger you have to think about what happens if he has a knife or gun BEFORE it makes a hole in your guts....
Also, If you are going to get in a confrontation with someone you also need to be aware that if you do not announce you are armed, any escalation of that confrontation will likely result in use of that weapon.
When two people fight - sometimes one of them dies.
When two people fight and there is a gun involved it is far more likely someone will die or be very seriously injured.
Like I said, a heightened level of responsibility (my opinion, I don't think there are any laws about this).
Certainly two a-holes involved, but the irresponsible use of a gun likely made one more confident then he should have been and the failure to make the carrying of the gun clear was a big part of why someone was shot (could have been either).
aircooled wrote: Certainly two a-holes involved, but the (deleted) use of a gun likely made one the winner by a landslide
That is really all that the facts support. Anything else is the kind of conjecture that the prosecution couldn't make stick with months of planning and investigation.
Anybody watching the talking head shows? All they're talking about is race and race relations, which tells me that had this involved 2 people of the same race, it NEVER would've been brought to trial. Again, the media, the lawyers, the politicians (including President "I can't seem to keep my berkeleying mouth shut and mind my own goddamned business") and the race pimps win.
4 black dudes beat the hell out of a white guy and threw him into traffic where he died. No mention in the media.
Same E36 M3 as always.
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