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benzbaron
benzbaron New Reader
12/2/08 6:28 p.m.

I enjoy the points you folks have made concering consumerism and its effect on our poor country. When people are killed for a POS piece of chinese plastic something is wrong. I cannot stand crowds though so I find that sort of gathering repulsive. I just feel sorry for the guy who opened the door. It's like they needed a rope/det cord/spring or something besides a human to open that door.

The only problem I see with assigning wealth to real estate and calling yourself a millionaire is that it is basically all on paper. It was "look at the books I'm a millionaire" attitude that led some people to refinance their houses so they could drive that 60k dollar car. The real estate bubble was really something that fed upon itself and if you couldn't see it coming you were either a fool or fooled! Houses in my neighborhood were bought and flipped every 2-3years, which the cities loved b/c the revaluation of the houses increased property tax revenues. That's my views!

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
12/2/08 6:54 p.m.

This is the Lexus ad that I find particularly disgusting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHsPpLOD50&feature=related

Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
12/2/08 6:58 p.m.

Jensenman, that ad makes me think of happy magical ponies, with pink ribbons in their manes and silver shoes on their feet.... kicking big dents in that Lexus.

Luke
Luke Dork
12/2/08 7:08 p.m.

That's just terrible. Savages, indeed.

Item #3 in the case arguing the downfall of humanity: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=670786

Punk kids crash WRX into old man's Escort, then sit by the side of the road eating fast food as the Escort driver dies.

byron12
byron12 New Reader
12/2/08 8:16 p.m.
Jensenman wrote: This is the Lexus ad that I find particularly disgusting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHsPpLOD50&feature=related

Uhh that is truly disgusting..... :(

billy3esq
billy3esq Dork
12/2/08 8:25 p.m.
byron12 wrote:
Jensenman wrote: This is the Lexus ad that I find particularly disgusting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHsPpLOD50&feature=related
Uhh that is truly disgusting..... :(

Lexus' December to Remember ads have disgusted me for a while now. There have been several over the last few years that are equally crassly materialistic.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/2/08 8:29 p.m.
Salanis wrote: The one that ticked me off was the little kid going on about how the greatest holiday memory was getting his first Big Wheel, and how wonderful it was and going on about how "you can't top the 'Big Wheel' memory!"...

Along these lines, I bought my son a Big Green Machine for Christmas this year. Granted he's only 4, but I can't hold out any longer! Some of my best memories as a kid were on a big wheel. And the best part? It supports riders up to 180 lbs! I'm only 156, so he and I will be sharing.

Dual steering FTW!

GregTivo
GregTivo Reader
12/2/08 8:30 p.m.
Tim Baxter wrote: Jensenman, that ad makes me think of happy magical ponies, with pink ribbons in their manes and silver shoes on their feet.... kicking big dents in that Lexus.

yeah, my jaw dropped watching that one. Especially the part about the jealous neighbor kid. Its not just crassly consumeristic, its actively promoting competitive malice. I'm glad I never had, nor ever will, desire a Lexus.

GregTivo
GregTivo Reader
12/2/08 8:31 p.m.
dyintorace wrote:
Salanis wrote: The one that ticked me off was the little kid going on about how the greatest holiday memory was getting his first Big Wheel, and how wonderful it was and going on about how "you can't top the 'Big Wheel' memory!"...
Along these lines, I bought my son a Big Green Machine for Christmas this year. Granted he's only 4, but I can't hold out any longer! Some of my best memories as a kid were on a big wheel. And the best part? It supports riders up to 180 lbs! I'm only 156, so he and I will be sharing. Dual steering FTW!

I gotta say, while my big wheel growing up was pretty sweet, nothing was more awesome than my box fort the day after we unpacked from the move when I was 5. It was epic!!

MitchellC
MitchellC Reader
12/2/08 8:32 p.m.

Did you get me one too?

MitchellC
MitchellC Reader
12/2/08 8:40 p.m.

But seriously, every time someone says "people these days", I remember gladiators, arenas, "real" wars, imperialism, etc., etc.. We're definitely an imperfect society but we're far from our worst.

Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
12/2/08 8:41 p.m.

Green machines kick ass. I had one when I was a kid.

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/2/08 8:46 p.m.
MitchellC wrote: Did you get me one too?

I could be persuaded.

Back on topic, I'm mildly encouraged by some recent articles such as this one. Perhaps we as a society (other than the morally bankrupt folks involved in the Walmart incident) are finally moving away from the era of "consumerism".

Consumers shut wallets

Associated Press Posted: 11/12/2008 05:07:44 PM PST

NEW YORK — Americans have slammed their wallets shut since the financial meltdown, and the future is looking downright scary for stores across the country and the whole U.S. economy.

On Wednesday, Best Buy slashed its earnings forecast and said the changes in consumer behavior have been nothing less than "seismic," creating "the most difficult climate" the company had seen in its 42-year history.

And Macy's, which turned a profit in the third quarter of last year, swung to a loss this time, warned that the upcoming holiday season would be "a nail-biter" and slashed its budget for 2009 capital expenditures by almost half.

Shoppers from the well-heeled to the low-income have cut back as they worry about shriveling retirement funds and job security. The changes could tilt the economy into a deeper, more painful recession.

"We're definitely spending less. The first thing to go was the housekeeper and clothes spending," said Melanie Coyne of Dardenne Prairie, Mo., who is dining out less, using more coupons and taking her lunch to work. She's also "wearing what I have."

The downbeat forecasts from retailers Wednesday came two days after Circuit City Stores filed for bankruptcy protection. It's also laying off thousands of workers and closing 20 percent of its stores.

Analysts believe consumers — who usually account for about 70 percent of economic activity — will no longer be the key driver of the economy, Advertisement said Scott Hoyt, senior director of consumer economics at Moody's Economy.com.

"This is the end of the consumer-based economy," said Peter Schiff, who runs the investment firm Euro Pacific Capital in Darien, Conn. "Americans have been buying too much stuff, and now the epic shopping spree is over. It is a permanent change."

The recent data has been startling: For the third quarter, consumer spending fell 3.1 percent, the worst performance in 28 years. Sales at established stores for October were the worst since at least 1969. The slump is continuing into November: Macy's says it expects a decline of at least 10 percent this month.

Even those with appetites for Prada and Gucci aren't immune. Among the hardest hit are luxury stores. Saks and Nordstrom reported same-store sales fell at least 10 percent. At Neiman Marcus the drop was nearly 27 percent.

Some stores make as much as 40 percent of their yearly profit during the holiday season, and the outlook for this year's is growing even darker. For toy merchants, that figure is up to 50 percent. That could mean more bankruptcies in the new year.

The sharp cut in Best Buy's outlook shook Wall Street analysts, who thought it was well placed to benefit from Circuit City's woes.

"As bad as things are, it was a shock to the retailing world as well as to the consumer spending outlook," said Ken Perkins, president of research company RetailMetrics. "Best Buy has always been the holiday destination. That announcement scared me."

pete240z
pete240z HalfDork
12/2/08 8:55 p.m.
Jensenman wrote: This is the Lexus ad that I find particularly disgusting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHsPpLOD50&feature=related

hey wait, my six year old wants a pony......

Racer1ab
Racer1ab New Reader
12/2/08 9:27 p.m.
Salanis wrote:
Jensenman wrote: For a perfect example of the worst, I submit: The last two mornings as I have gotten ready to walk out the door there has been one of those fukkin Lexus 'December To Remember' commercials that's even worse than the previous years.
I hate those commercials. I hate most commercials. But I *really* hate those commercials. berkeley you Lexus! You aren't as cool as a kids first experience zipping around in a vehicle for the first time. Your commercial insults my childhood.

Excuse me, but as a douchebag Lexus owner I have to hijack this thread.

Those commericals are aimed at the general shiny happy person Lexus owner who only drives the car until the lease runs out and then rushes back to the dealership for the latest status symbol.

If Lexus really wants to find favor with the GRM community, I propose a commercial that would go something like the old Publishers Clearing House commercials, where a Prize Patrol rolls up to a GRM'ers front door, awards you the grand prize Lexus IS-F and then whisks you away to the closest race track so you can click off hot laps with a camera crew filming the entire event.

Then again, they probably won me over with the whole "Taste of Lexus" event here at Summit back in the summertime. A free autocross in some various F-sport modified Lexi(?) and then some follow the leader laps around the Jefferson circuit in a bunch of new IS-F's did it for me. I will own one of those cars once they depreciate!

And Lexus, feel free to use my idea. Just remember, Ultrasonic Blue Mica with all black interior. Thanks!

Back on topic, blatent consumerism is bad...especially trampling people to buy a crappy blu-ray player or whatever the tech du jour thing is now.

DirtyBird222
DirtyBird222 HalfDork
12/2/08 10:57 p.m.

didn't read every single post, but a local radio talk show was talking about how Black Friday is more for buying stuff for yourself than other people. I simply refuse to go out shopping on black friday by going to the Turkey Rod run for the first half of the day and watching football during the second half of the day.

MitchellC
MitchellC Reader
12/3/08 12:52 a.m.

That's a good plan of action. The Turkey Rod Run is good times. Long day of walking? Sitting in a recliner eating turkey sandwiches and drinking beer is the perfect remedy.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
12/3/08 6:33 a.m.
Tim Baxter wrote: Green machines kick ass. I had one when I was a kid.

Nothing can compare to the sound a Big Wheel makes when you slide the back end around on concrete. I truly believe the plastic compound was specifically designed to resonate at the exact frequency as your parent's teeth.

Xceler8x
Xceler8x GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
12/3/08 8:08 a.m.
Racer1ab wrote: If Lexus really wants to find favor with the GRM community, I propose a commercial that would go something like the old Publishers Clearing House commercials, where a Prize Patrol rolls up to a GRM'ers front door, awards you the grand prize Lexus IS-F and then whisks you away to the closest race track so you can click off hot laps with a camera crew filming the entire event.

I'm waiting for the bad part of your analogy...so far you nailed it!

I don't think anyone here is bagging on Lexus owners. I'd say we're all just sick of the "Buy it now so you can lord over the other poor people!" style ads.

I'll throw out another example. The diamond ring selling guys here in town. It's all "Buy her the biggest rock you can borrow enough money for. Then she just might love you forever."

16vCorey
16vCorey SuperDork
12/3/08 8:13 a.m.

Yep, every time I see a jewelry or Lexus ad, my soul dies just a little more.

walterj
walterj HalfDork
12/3/08 8:14 a.m.
Jensenman wrote:
Tim Baxter wrote: Green machines kick ass. I had one when I was a kid.

I might have condoned the trampling of a few folks to get my hands on a Green Machine when I was a kid. That was badass.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
12/3/08 8:28 a.m.

I am not a 'Family Guy' fan for the most part. Every once in a while they hit comedy and social commentary gold.

They did a takeoff of the DeBeers 'shadow' ads where a shadow guy gives a shadow girl a diamond ring, she drops out of sight and he starts smiling. The voice over: 'Give her diamonds... now she'll HAVE to.'

Clay
Clay Reader
12/3/08 8:47 a.m.

Neighbor kid down the street has one and I was SOOO tempted to take it for a spin for old times sake. Well, my son is 1, he's probably old enough

And to stay on topic, I'm against the ridiculous Lexus and jewelry adds as much as anyone. I had a friend argue with me when I got engaged about the whole "2 months salary" nonsense that the jewelry companies push. He told me he would "love his fiancee enough to spend 2 months salary." I responded that if that the cost of the ring is a measure of his love, then I feel sorry for her that he would "only" spend 2 months salary. Wouldn't a year's salary really show her? Poor girl is only worth 2 months! Idiot.

924guy
924guy HalfDork
12/3/08 8:59 a.m.

I became really, really ticked off when i read about that trampling incident. I have worked at that mall on occasion, many years ago, and it is a beast of a place, whos nature completely changes after five pm. despite that fact, there is absolutely no reason for that incident. they were aware of the specific problems in that area, they saw and heard the crowd and knew they were pumped up. Instead of effecting a controlled entry, starting on the exterior of the store, using professionals, it appears they just pooled up who ever they could find, said "stand here", and opened the flood gates... there are at least a half a dozen different techniques they could have employed to prevent what happened, but there appears to have been little or no crowd control employed . By the time they decided it might be a problem, it was already too late, from what ive seen anyhow. crowd control starts way before there is a crowd, and long before they can enter the premises... And while i hate to play hindsight quarterback, this one appears to have been a real cluster berkeley, with little to no forethought and allot of incompetence from my view. while im not an expert in this particular area, I have been responsible to safely control crowds of 20k or more people at entry points, and no ever got hurt... I think walmart will end up paying big time for their lack of foresight and failure to take adequate steps to ensure the safety of their customers.

Green machines are awesome! when i was a kid i found a broken one and dragged it home, replaced one of the steering "stick shifts" with a piece of wood dowel, and had a blast with it...

Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
12/3/08 10:45 a.m.
Racer1ab wrote:
Salanis wrote: berkeley you Lexus! You aren't as cool as a kids first experience zipping around in a vehicle for the first time. Your commercial insults my childhood.
Excuse me, but as a douchebag Lexus owner I have to hijack this thread. Those commericals are aimed at the general shiny happy person Lexus owner who only drives the car until the lease runs out and then rushes back to the dealership for the latest status symbol.

Right. I'm not knocking their products. I don't think anyone here is. We're pissed off at the messages in the commercials.

Getting a Lexus, or any car, can no way supplant the thrill of that very first vehicle. Heck, people on this board STILL look for excuses to play with big wheels! It's insulting to the joys of childhood to say that getting a new car is better than getting your first Big Wheel.

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