In reply to NOHOME:
I think intercepting a drone electronically would be illegal - possibly more so than the shotgun. The FCC (for those of us in the US) takes a very dim view of electronically blocking and intercepting signals. Hotels and conference centers have faced $600k+ fines for hijacking people's wifi signals. This would probably fall under the same umbrella, though the fines are likely less since it would be one incident instead of multiple.
JohnRW1621 wrote: Call the FAA and report it. They will likely ask how high it was flying because there is some rule about at a certain height the FAA takes control. My guess is that you and I have no experience at judging vertical height so leave it to the FAA to knock on his door and see if he is "legal".
The guy (probably a kid?) has already had a police officer read him the riot act. That's probably fixed the problem, no need to escalate to the feds unless it happens again.
I like the water hose/squirt gun idea. I think that's least likely to get me in trouble. No way I can shoot a gun in my neighborhood. The thing is, this was a grown man, should had enough common sense to avoid this. I mean, while I live in a neighborhood, I'm in a semi rural setting. There are acres and acres of open land within 3 minutes of my house. Soo many better places to do this.
But I think he was sufficiently scared. The cop said she thinks she really spooked him. She rolled in the sub with all lights off and saw the light from the drone and basically popped up in the back yard. The dude was visibly shaken.
Good, because my kids were on edge, my wife was on edge, and I was amped up because I was looking to put a hurtin' on someone when I went outside, the adrenaline was flowing.
People like to come up with all kinds of crazy schemes but since it was a neighbor flying the thing, why not walk down the street and talk to him about it?
stuart in mn wrote: People like to come up with all kinds of crazy schemes but since it was a neighbor flying the thing, why not walk down the street and talk to him about it?
So 1990s.
stuart in mn wrote: People like to come up with all kinds of crazy schemes but since it was a neighbor flying the thing, why not walk down the street and talk to him about it?
The cop said this was someone that doesn't live in the neighborhood. No other details. Nobody to talk to.
If there's a drone zipping through my yard, just flying around, middle of the day, I'm going to go find the pilot so I can check out the sweet toy. Maybe he'd let me fly it.
If there's a drone in my yard at night, shining a light in my windows, that's a different story.
NOHOME wrote: It would seem that they are fairly easy to hack/hijack/destroy if you want to go through the effort. This could become a hobby in and of itself. http://www.dailydot.com/debug/wi-fi-drone-disabler-raspberry-pi/The programming enables the Raspberry Pi to tap into a drone's Wi-Fi connectivity and take command of it. In the case of the drone the tests were conducted on, the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0, a person using the "cantenna" could hijack the drone with a smartphone app and control it or disable it entirely.
Yup, I came here to say this. Hack/jam the frequency to down it or take control of it.
paranoid_android74 wrote:NOHOME wrote: It would seem that they are fairly easy to hack/hijack/destroy if you want to go through the effort. This could become a hobby in and of itself. http://www.dailydot.com/debug/wi-fi-drone-disabler-raspberry-pi/Yup, I came here to say this. Hack/jam the frequency to down it or take control of it.The programming enables the Raspberry Pi to tap into a drone's Wi-Fi connectivity and take command of it. In the case of the drone the tests were conducted on, the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0, a person using the "cantenna" could hijack the drone with a smartphone app and control it or disable it entirely.
Very few are wifi controlled anymore.... most run 2.4 ghz or 5.8, or both. Some still run wifi for camera's but thats it.
DrBoost wrote: I like the water hose/squirt gun idea.
Well officer, I was watering my azaleas when this contraption startled me,I didn't mean to douse it with water, but maybe now little Jimmy will learn not to scare his neighbors with his toy.
Javelin wrote:DrBoost wrote: I like the water hose/squirt gun idea.Well officer, I was watering my azaleas when this contraption startled me,I didn't mean to douse it with water, but maybe now little Jimmy will learn not to scare his neighbors with his toy.
"Oh officer, isn't little Jimmy out past curfew? Should CPS be notified?"
java230 wrote:paranoid_android74 wrote:Very few are wifi controlled anymore.... most run 2.4 ghz or 5.8, or both. Some still run wifi for camera's but thats it.NOHOME wrote: It would seem that they are fairly easy to hack/hijack/destroy if you want to go through the effort. This could become a hobby in and of itself. http://www.dailydot.com/debug/wi-fi-drone-disabler-raspberry-pi/Yup, I came here to say this. Hack/jam the frequency to down it or take control of it.The programming enables the Raspberry Pi to tap into a drone's Wi-Fi connectivity and take command of it. In the case of the drone the tests were conducted on, the Parrot AR.Drone 2.0, a person using the "cantenna" could hijack the drone with a smartphone app and control it or disable it entirely.
Sure- the right oscillator+amplifier+antenna. Like this idea.
I bet you could homebrew something...
codrus wrote:JohnRW1621 wrote: Call the FAA and report it. They will likely ask how high it was flying because there is some rule about at a certain height the FAA takes control. My guess is that you and I have no experience at judging vertical height so leave it to the FAA to knock on his door and see if he is "legal".The guy (probably a kid?) has already had a police officer read him the riot act. That's probably fixed the problem, no need to escalate to the feds unless it happens again.
I wouldn't assume it was a kid. All the people I see flying them around here are 40 year old virgin's with Journey t- shirts on.
Air and Space magazine has an article on drones this month. It is mostly about avoidance of big drones but there are regulations in the works for all drones. Registered serial number and electronic ID are a couple of things being looked at.
Shooting down an aircraft is illegal. Jamming a frequency is illegal (The FCC will fine the ever-living E36 M3 out of you if you are ever caught). The FAA is trying to enforce some laws it had made, but that means we are allowing a government agency to enforce laws that did not go through due process.
Just make sure you yell, "It's coming straight for us!" before you berkeley it up.
Is night fishing illegal in your backyard?
Accidents happen...
Just remember that (as in the earlier Kentucky example) you might eventually beat the rap, but you might not beat the ride.
I don't live in a subdivision or anything and can shoot on our property legally. I'm going to consider them target practice for the time being if the opportunity arises, but so far it hasn't been an issue.
DrBoost wrote:stuart in mn wrote: People like to come up with all kinds of crazy schemes but since it was a neighbor flying the thing, why not walk down the street and talk to him about it?The cop said this was someone that doesn't live in the neighborhood. No other details. Nobody to talk to. If there's a drone zipping through my yard, just flying around, middle of the day, I'm going to go find the pilot so I can check out the sweet toy. Maybe he'd let me fly it. If there's a drone in my yard at night, shining a light in my windows, that's a different story.
Sounds like she should have taken him in under suspicion of casing houses and seen what if anything was recorded by his drone.
"Sorry officer, I thought it was a pinata. I didn't have my contacts in."
Blow the damn thing out of the air. Pick it up and dispose of it immediately OFF PROPERTY.
When someone comes knocking record video of them asking about it. Say things like "I haven't seen it. Why would it be here?" Let them answer with things like "I was viewing your place" Turn video over to police. Deny ever seeing drone. If they get irate ask them if they know what the penalty is in Michigan for trespassing and invasion of privacy is?
Never admit to having downed the drone.
Drones are claimed by the FAA but I suspect this is something that the supreme court will end up hearing because of the privacy issue. You have a possible public safety concern with invasion of privacy laws.
Who says the founding fathers thought of everything?
What I am seeing is that the act of taking drones out of the air could become as big a hobby as flying the things in the first place.
I wonder if I could design a "Drone mite" a very small cheap disposable drone that would zero in on the offending drone and disable it via kamikaze damage to rotors? Challenge is to come up with the targeting method since shining lasers into the sky is not a good idea. Do these things emit RF or just receive? Maybe propeller frequency since there are four of them so you can have targeting redundancy?
Not that I myself would want to do this of course.
In reply to NOHOME:
The A&S article said that more agencies than the FAA are involved. Didn't say who.
NOHOME wrote: What I am seeing is that the act of taking drones out of the air could become as big a hobby as flying the things in the first place. I wonder if I could design a "Drone mite" a very small cheap disposable drone that would zero in on the offending drone and disable it via kamikaze damage to rotors? Not that I myself would want to do this of course.
obviously you would have to control it yourself but these little guys are only about $20 and are pretty resilient to crashes. could probably take down a few drones without taking to much of a beating
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