LA Riots

I wasn't in LA for those riots but I was in Miami in 1980 for the Arthur McDuffie inspired riots ... ( African American motorcycle rider killed by Caucasian police officers (who were later acquitted ...) which caused the riots)

the black community, basically burned down their own neighborhoods and stole from most of the businesses ( mostly black owned) in the area ..... still haven't understood what that accomplished )

we were in N Miami ... it was still close enough for me

wbjones wrote: I wasn't in LA for those riots but I was in Miami in 1980 for the Arthur McDuffie inspired riots ... ( African American motorcycle rider killed by Caucasian police officers (who were later acquitted ...) which caused the riots) the black community, basically burned down their own neighborhoods and stole from most of the businesses ( mostly black owned) in the area ..... still haven't understood what that accomplished ) we were in N Miami ... it was still close enough for me

I have nothing to add except that I think it's hilarious that Overtown is considered "historic".

No matter how badly mistreated a group is, they should never resort to breaking the law or violence.

The Founding Fathers never should have fought the Revolution.

There are two sides to it. Load of posts here painting only one. I don't excuse what they did, but I don't pretend not to understand what provoked it. Just about anyone will tell you there were some real problems with the LAPD at the time and there's very little question (Mark Furman, anyone?) that much of it was racially based. Push people far enough, they push back. Sometimes in ways they shouldn't, but all the same.

Not entirely unlike people who call for over-throwing the government, or having their state leave the union because taxes are too high.

mguar wrote:

poopshovel wrote: There's a special on VH1 right now called "Uprising: Hip Hop and the LA riots." Interesting watchin'. Seems as though there are a lot of folks who get really happy and excited; nostalgic even, talking about how awesome it was for people to steal, assault, and destroy property. My brother lived in LA at the time. It was not cute.

Too bad you don't read about history.. If you had you'd quickly find out anytime there has been extreme wealth disparity things get ugly. My favorite is the French revolution. The extremely wealthy and their wives and children all lost their heads to angry mobs.. Just like today unemployment was rampant, the poor died from sickness and disease the rich avoided.. It will happen again. The percentage of unemployed black is over 50% in some cities. The Majority of them younger men.. You'd be amazed at how peaceful things are when unemployment runs around 3%. Right now there are some CEO's and stock investors earning hundreds of millions of dollars per year. while 9% of the population is officially unemployed and actual numbers probably exceed 15% 50% of college graduates cannot find work in their field.. We're not talking about French literature majors or PE majors either, but engineers, marketing, architects, and even Lawyers.. About 9 months ago women passed men in the workforce.. That is more women are earning a living than men. Occupy Wallstreet (etc.) crowd is a small nucleolus of peaceful protesters.. If you look closely we/'re in a very near condition to what preceded the 1929 crash where most of the wealth was in the handful of uber rich less than2% of the people own and control more than 50% of the wealth.. If I were uber wealthy I'd worry about my neck..

there are jobs out there for anyone that wants one- they might not pay $100k a year to start, but a job is a job and if you start at the bottom you can only go up. if there aren't any jobs available where you are, then move your lazy ass to where the jobs are. there is no need to destroy the businesses and lives of the people that actually work just because you are frustrated..

How old are you, fast eddie?

novaderrik wrote: there are jobs out there for anyone that wants one- they might not pay $100k a year to start, but a job is a job and if you start at the bottom you can only go up. if there aren't any jobs available where you are, then move your lazy ass to where the jobs are. there is no need to destroy the businesses and lives of the people that actually work just because you are frustrated..

The most recent unemployment numbers state there are 12.7 million unemployed in this country actively looking for work. The most recent numbers also say there are 3.5 million job openings currently in the US. So if EVERY job was filled, that leaves 9.2 million in the USA currently unemployed.

Sorry to ruin your argument. Perhaps your lazy ass needs to use the Google (your words, not mine).

Documentary is on again right now. No, it does not have a berkeleying thing to do with "occupy" or the American Revolution.

The LAPD are thugs with guns. It may take a thug to do a thug's job, but that's how it is. My brother is schizophrenic. Lives in a structured living home, takes enough meds to put a horse down, etc. During the time of the King riots, he was "homeless," living on the streets and undiagnosed/untreated. He was beat to E36 M3 by the LAPD numerous times, including put in the hospital with a broken leg. Glendale PD would "do" him as well. He is not black. Nobody gave a E36 M3.

Oh, the time they almost killed him? Funny thing, but the entire incident "never happened." The hospital has no record of him having been there, there was no bill. A cop acquaintance I know told me that how it works is someone at the hospital says "I'm going to leave this chart OVER HERE, ON THE COUNTER..." and the cop picks it up and it disappears.

bastomatic wrote:

novaderrik wrote: there are jobs out there for anyone that wants one- they might not pay $100k a year to start, but a job is a job and if you start at the bottom you can only go up. if there aren't any jobs available where you are, then move your lazy ass to where the jobs are. there is no need to destroy the businesses and lives of the people that actually work just because you are frustrated..

The most recent unemployment numbers state there are 12.7 million unemployed in this country actively looking for work. The most recent numbers also say there are 3.5 million job openings currently in the US. So if EVERY job was filled, that leaves 9.2 million in the USA currently unemployed. Sorry to ruin your argument. Perhaps your lazy ass needs to use the Google (your words, not mine).

not every "job" shows up in a government database.. i guess i should have said that there is "work" for anyone that wants it. i survived quite nicely over 2 summers by hauling in a couple of loads of scrap iron every week- does that show up as a "job" in any official reports?.

novaderrik wrote: not every "job" shows up in a government database.. i guess i should have said that there is "work" for anyone that wants it. i survived quite nicely over 2 summers by hauling in a couple of loads of scrap iron every week- does that show up as a "job" in any official reports?.

You are correct in that - I'm sure not every job appears on a government survey - just as not every unemployed person looking for work would appear on a survey.

My point is only that there are most certainly not currently enough jobs in the country to put everyone to work who has the desire and ability. I see no way you can quibble with that looking at the gap in the numbers. Perhaps only the laziest and inept cannot find gainful employment and lose out. But I doubt that's always the case.

I also know a few people who also "sell scrap" to make ends meet. I see them in my public parks looking through garbage for cans. Though I wouldn't call it a job.

not a job, but it's a living.. and it's work- and every minute you are doing that is another minute you aren't plotting and planning to destroy or steal someone else's property..

poopshovel wrote: How old are you, fast eddie?

Old enough to know better. But you certainly do a good job countering my observation. Keen insight. Hadn't thought of it that way. Watch it again. Fester some more.

novaderrik wrote: not every "job" shows up in a government database.. i guess i should have said that there is "work" for anyone that wants it. i survived quite nicely over 2 summers by hauling in a couple of loads of scrap iron every week- does that show up as a "job" in any official reports?.

Could you please explain to me what the point of this post is in the context of this thread? Very interested to hear the answer.

Dr. Hess wrote: The LAPD are thugs with guns. It may take a thug to do a thug's job, but that's how it is. My brother is schizophrenic. Lives in a structured living home, takes enough meds to put a horse down, etc. During the time of the King riots, he was "homeless," living on the streets and undiagnosed/untreated. He was beat to E36 M3 by the LAPD numerous times, including put in the hospital with a broken leg. Glendale PD would "do" him as well. He is not black. Nobody gave a E36 M3. Oh, the time they almost killed him? Funny thing, but the entire incident "never happened." The hospital has no record of him having been there, there was no bill. A cop acquaintance I know told me that how it works is someone at the hospital says "I'm going to leave this chart OVER HERE, ON THE COUNTER..." and the cop picks it up and it disappears.

Why you liberal idealist. How could you suggest the LAPD are (or were) anything but heros?

Dr. Hess, how old are you?

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

novaderrik wrote: not every "job" shows up in a government database.. i guess i should have said that there is "work" for anyone that wants it. i survived quite nicely over 2 summers by hauling in a couple of loads of scrap iron every week- does that show up as a "job" in any official reports?.

Could you please explain to me what the point of this post is in the context of this thread? Very interested to hear the answer.

figure it out.. you're smarter than me.

In reply to Dr. Hess:

You know, it's funny, they've said "next time it's whiteys E36 M3 getting torched" after damn near every riot ever. Far as I've heard, whenever the next riot rolls around urban black folk go right back to destroying their own neighborhoods again.

Either they have horrible memory or they know actually doing it would end poorly for them. BTW, I'm predicting another riot if Zimmerman gets off, but only if you can get people to remember that they were supposed to be outraged over it a week ago.

mguar wrote: Too bad you don't read about history.. If you had you'd quickly find out anytime there has been extreme wealth disparity things get ugly. My favorite is the French revolution. The extremely wealthy and their wives and children all lost their heads to angry mobs.. Just like today unemployment was rampant, the poor died from sickness and disease the rich avoided.. It will happen again. The percentage of unemployed black is over 50% in some cities. The Majority of them younger men.. You'd be amazed at how peaceful things are when unemployment runs around 3%. Right now there are some CEO's and stock investors earning hundreds of millions of dollars per year. while 9% of the population is officially unemployed and actual numbers probably exceed 15% 50% of college graduates cannot find work in their field.. We're not talking about French literature majors or PE majors either, but engineers, marketing, architects, and even Lawyers.. About 9 months ago women passed men in the workforce.. That is more women are earning a living than men. Occupy Wallstreet (etc.) crowd is a small nucleolus of peaceful protesters.. If you look closely we/'re in a very near condition to what preceded the 1929 crash where most of the wealth was in the handful of uber rich less than2% of the people own and control more than 50% of the wealth.. If I were uber wealthy I'd worry about my neck..

Thank god in this country we have the means and the laws so that people can protect themselves and theirs.

I wouldnt wan't anyone mistaking me or my family for "the weathy". And anyone, in that situation, will wish they hadn't as well.

If this gets violent, the OWS people wont go after the weathy, They will attack small store owners (as they already do) or any people who want to disagree with them face to face.

It will end a useless, misguided and as malformed an idea as it began.

novaderrik wrote:

fast_eddie_72 wrote:

novaderrik wrote: not every "job" shows up in a government database.. i guess i should have said that there is "work" for anyone that wants it. i survived quite nicely over 2 summers by hauling in a couple of loads of scrap iron every week- does that show up as a "job" in any official reports?.

Could you please explain to me what the point of this post is in the context of this thread? Very interested to hear the answer.

figure it out.. you're smarter than me.

I doubt it. And I think you see where I was going with that. Just pointing out the obvious direction this thread was headed.

fast_eddie_72 wrote: Why you liberal idealist. How could you suggest the LAPD are (or were) anything but heros? Dr. Hess, how old are you?

Same age as Margie.

We don't discuss the ages of women who are armed with cement mixers

mguar wrote: Since then I've applied for tens of thousands of jobs.

Did you really just say that?

Otto Maddox wrote: Did you really just say that?

Honestly, if he is truly like how people say he is in reality, I wouldn't put it past him to have applied for at least 1000. 10+ thousand? No. But definitely over 1000.