Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) said:If IFS and IRS are so bad, why do Humvees use them? (The real H1, not the mall crawlers.)
Also real Humvees have gear reduction boxes at the knuckles, but this thread isn't for that. This thread is to show that the new Bronco is not a Jeep. And never will be. 
Scott
How many times are we going to say that Humvees have portals?
Oh yea the Humvee has Portals.
In reply to noddaz :
Ironically, almost everything that we associate with a Jeep was created by Ford. From the flat front fenders to the front grill stamping designed by Ford to speed up production to the Ford internal designation of GP. Even the flat front windshield was on the Ford prototype. Google the Ford Pigmy GP-1, it truly is the first Jeep.
In reply to tester (Forum Supporter) :
"American Bantam" is the name you were looking for.
What is the towing capacity?
In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
3500lbs for all trims, 2 and 4 door
I knew there was going to be a catch somewhere: you can't order the Sasquatch package with a manual transmisson.
Lame.
Not necessarily a deal breaker, but this kinda sucks. You can get a Rubicon with a stick. Hopefully, they change their minds on this.
stanger_mussle (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
3500lbs for all trims, 2 and 4 door
Thanks!
Honestly, good enough for me.
mtn (Forum Supporter) said:stanger_mussle (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to mtn (Forum Supporter) :
3500lbs for all trims, 2 and 4 door
Thanks!
Honestly, good enough for me.
im trying to figure out if it is for me
Oldest JeepIn reply to ShawnG :
Yes, Bantam won the competition due to bringing a more powerful engine; arguably outside the scope of the requirements. However, the oldest prototype is the Ford.
Visually, the Ford prototype is what actually became the Jeep and the GP name is the root of the "Jeep" nickname.
If you go with ownership, Willys copyrighted the name before anyone else which I guess counts, but they certainly don't get the credit for creating the name or the iconic look.
GP-1
In reply to bigdaddylee82 :
Much better to be a Jeep Guy than a Volvo P80 Guy. Breaks down the same amount, but is easier to fix, and you can always hide in a mall parking lot if you need to be lost in a crowd. Sorry, I kid! You can hide in the fraternity parking lot.
Ok joking over!
Honestly, I give zero Berkeleys about off roading and negative one billion of them about solid front axles. I will say that driving a stick shift Jeep is super fun and it sucks that the Bronco won't have the hardcore off road package on the manual. So yes, if I was going to go off roading, I wouldn't get a Bronco. I'd get a Toyota, because I don't like breaking down in the middle of nowhere!
I like that they've put a granny gear in the transmission.
Off-road use aside, they sure help to get the load moving when towing.
Tony Sestito said:I knew there was going to be a catch somewhere: you can't order the Sasquatch package with a manual transmisson.
Lame.
Wait wait wait...
No really, but why? That seems a really odd decision to offer it across virtually all the trim levels, and go through the trouble of offering a manual, but then NOT allow it to be offered together. Clutch/Manual too weak to push 35's?
In reply to Dave M (Forum Supporter) :
I think you just publicly admitted to being a mall crawler!
03Panther said:In reply to Dave M (Forum Supporter) :
I think you just publicly admitted to being a mall crawler!
You know it! My minivan is a true MUV (Mall Utility Vehicle).
xflowgolf (Forum Supporter) said:Tony Sestito said:I knew there was going to be a catch somewhere: you can't order the Sasquatch package with a manual transmisson.
Lame.Wait wait wait...
No really, but why? That seems a really odd decision to offer it across virtually all the trim levels, and go through the trouble of offering a manual, but then NOT allow it to be offered together. Clutch/Manual too weak to push 35's?
I wonder if it's more about gear ratios. The manual has a super low crawler gear. The Sasquatch comes with 4.7 gears in the diffs. Maybe they don't play nice together for some reason?
STM317 said:xflowgolf (Forum Supporter) said:Tony Sestito said:I knew there was going to be a catch somewhere: you can't order the Sasquatch package with a manual transmisson.
Lame.Wait wait wait...
No really, but why? That seems a really odd decision to offer it across virtually all the trim levels, and go through the trouble of offering a manual, but then NOT allow it to be offered together. Clutch/Manual too weak to push 35's?
I wonder if it's more about gear ratios. The manual has a super low crawler gear. The Sasquatch comes with 4.7 gears in the diffs. Maybe they don't play nice together for some reason?
From what I read, the gearing is the problem. I mean, how hard would it be for them to just toss some 4:10's in there instead for the M/T guys? They are Dana 44's under there, right? That axle has been around for about half a century. Even my Power Wagon has one.
Does anybody foresee any issue with flat towing one of these behind an RV? My in-laws saw this and were immediately smitten (as was I) and now want one of these to tow (specifically the 2-dr) instead of a two-dr Wrangler. Haven't been able to find explicit yay/nay statements on flat towing though
Edit: nm I found it on Ford's website
noddaz said:Scott
This thread is to show that the new Bronco is not a Jeep. And never will be.
Thank the flying spaghetti monster for that!
I found this humorous, I'm a little surprised Goodyear was even considered, but I'm not sure of the intricacies of those levels of corporate partnerships and deals. Does Ford put Firestone on anything anymore, or are they still black balled from the '90s Exploder days?
Seems like there are enough good tire manufacturers out there these days, that they wouldn't even consider putting Goodyear Wranglers on their Bronco.
Ford To Goodyear: Get 'Wrangler' Off The Bronco's Tires
In reply to tester (Forum Supporter) :
Bantam didn't win the competition, Willys did and Ford helped build them.
You can look up the history of the origin of what became known as Jeep.
oh the rail on the dash also has a power port up there.
The power port up there is thoughtful
In reply to MrChaos :
I feel like every car should have that rail. This should be the Picatinny Rail of the car world - a "Bronco Rail". What a great idea!
Have they said anything about nannies? I would like to like this, I like a lot of what they're doing but I'm not interested in paying for gadgets that I don't want, need, or use. I get that backup cameras are required because people are lazy but I can fix that. The nannies and integrated infotainment crud, though, are probably harder to fix. And that's not even counting that they forgot the keyhole... If I send a really, really polite email do you think they'd sell me a stripped down version with a physical key? Heck I'd supply my own gauges if need be, I've already been on Summit looking for the Mustang.
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