24 days off, with a 4 day work week. It would be around 30 if I worked 5 days/week. Not sure what the holiday/winter policy is. I hope I don't have to use vacation between christmas and new years
24 days off, with a 4 day work week. It would be around 30 if I worked 5 days/week. Not sure what the holiday/winter policy is. I hope I don't have to use vacation between christmas and new years
I was at the Minnesota hose factory for almost 14 years and had 17 vacation days + 2 sick days. When I considered leaving for a better company this was one item that I struggled with as my new gig gives me 10 vacation days a year for the first 10 years. (!!!). But the opportunity to make a more money and less Holiday Inn beds was way worth the sacrifice.
I just finished my 15th year so next year I will get five weeks. If I work a holiday I get paid straight time and then accrue 8 hours of time off. When I work overtime I can take that as time instead of money and I get 12 sick days a year that roll over.
alfadriver wrote: I totally don't understand how one can't use time off, I would totally go insane and productivity would drop to a low level. Getting away is key to be productive.
It's easy. My unit has 36 people. They let one of us off a day. We have a book that we put our name in to be off, it opens midnight 30 days in advance. If its a popular day like a holiday weekend or any Saturday or Sunday in the summer the day goes to the senior person in line at midnight. This is the first year I've been able to pick four whole weeks, I usually end up taking a week in days and I generally finish the year with a couple days in the bank.
In reply to Wally: comp time! Blah
They do that here sometimes. "Come in on a Saturday to do extra work and you can take off that number of hours later on during a week." Instead of earning time-and-a-half. Hell, if we're so short handed that we had to work the weekend what makes you think we'll be free to take the hours off in the future?
I'd actually like to be able to sell back hours of AL for and extra paycheck now and then. As it is now I have 200 hrs AL and 275 SL on the books. The SL usually gets up to 1500 or so by the time people retire and they take most of it off for "back pain" or some such just before they go out the door. It messes with our ability to hire their replacement but the system is set up so that any SL on the books is lost at retirement while AL is paid out.
Our company went to an across the board vacation/sick policy:
I consider our vacation package generous, but on the other hand I'm typically working 60-70 hour weeks, have 8AM meetings several days a week, have lunch meetings on a regular basis, am on-call pretty much 24/7, and I leave around 6PM each night. It's all about the balance, if you treat your employees with respect, you'll get a lot more out of them. If you nickel and dime them with things like vacation/sick time, they'll do the same to you when you ask them to do anything above and beyond what they have to.
alfadriver wrote:ProDarwin wrote:So it's offered as an incentive to take the job, and not given. That blows. And that is the attitude toward time off I don't get here.alfadriver wrote: I totally don't understand how one can't use time off, I would totally go insane and productivity would drop to a low level. Getting away is key to be productive.If you aren't allow to use it. Pressure from boss/management not to use it. Projects that get assigned to you that would be impossible to complete if you actually used PTO. Etc.
My old sales job was like that. All of the managers were workaholics that were there 6-7 days a week, 10-12+hrs a day and definitely looked down on those of us that took our vacation time. I know I got passed over for a promotion because I explicitly told them I would not be working like that, because it's unhealthy and a waste. I usually did what I could to finish the random tasks or fire drill projects given to me right before I had PTO scheduled, but eventually I started to look at is as my boss's inability to plan and prepare for my time off was not my problem so long as I did as much as I could before I left and picked right back up when I returned.
I switched companies back in June. Same position, most of the same accounts, but more pay, less work, more PTO, less stress, and a much healthier work environment. I start with 2 weeks vacation, will get an additional week for the next two years to max out at 4 weeks, plus a week or two of sick time, plus federal holidays as floating paid days off if I don't take the day off. The only time I'm encouraged not to take time off is during the holiday shopping season and the months of May and June when I'm my absolute busiest.
185 work days per year. 120 hours of sick time per year which carries over to next year. 40 hours personal time which converts to sick after the year.
Its really weird, but we cant take off more then 3 day in a row without using personal time. We also cant use personal time before or after a holiday. Like I wanted to go bow hunting this weekend so I took off Friday and Tuesday and had to use sick time for both.
dj06482 wrote: I consider our vacation package generous, but on the other hand I'm typically working 60-70 hour weeks, have 8AM meetings several days a week, have lunch meetings on a regular basis, am on-call pretty much 24/7, and I leave around 6PM each night. It's all about the balance, if you treat your employees with respect, you'll get a lot more out of them. If you nickel and dime them with things like vacation/sick time, they'll do the same to you when you ask them to do anything above and beyond what they have to.
my schedule for this past week:
Monday: off
Tuesday: off
Wednesday: 3pm-11pm
Thursday: 4p-midnight
Friday: 4p-Till Load out (was 2am)
Saturday: 4p-Till load out (1am)
Sunday: 10a-Till Load out (probably 2)
So, yes, while my vacation package is generous, my day to day schedule sucks... and this past week was mild compared to some
In reply to KyAllroad:
Thought they changed that rule for SL. Adds to total time in service at retirement. I guess that might be one of the differences between CSRS & FIRS. I had 8 months time in service added when I hired in because of combat time. Don't take much SL, why be miserable at home when you can spread the misery at work. 
Have over 1000 hours of SL built up. Boss like easy time cards and expects us to be where and when we are supposed to be and expects the job to be done. We have laptops and blackberry leashes. Sometimes long hours when needed especially when dealing with overseas. Plus travel quite a bit, sometimes overseas which could add comp time. Plus ability to do some work from home. Meaning we come and go as we please. I'm lucky and I know it. Have a great boss, work with great people. Most of whom I knew in the army. Most of us are retired army, double dippers. 
Standard Fed Package is as follows,
For your first 3 years of service you earn vacation at 4 hours per pay period (26 pay periods per year) for a total of 13 days. After 3 years of service you earn 6 hours per pay period and adjusted to total 20 days per year. After 15 years service you earn 8 hours per pay period or 26 days a year. This is vacation time. You may accumulate 30 days and carry it over from year to year. However, any time earned over the 30 days you must use or lose.
10 holidays per year.
Sick leave is accrued at 4 hours per pay period (13 days per year) and does not change with length of service. This is paid sick leave and does not cap out.
That being said I have worked for fortune 500 to mom and pops. No one came close. This is what many big companies back in 50's and 60's gave. Doesn't exist in the private sector anymore unless it is in a competitive industry that is likely to have staff poaching going on. (Google ect.)
I'm assuming people working under 200 days a year are working greater than 8+ hour days and are on shift work?
I find it a bit silly to post "how many days you work" without that info behind it, because working a 12 hour day, there isn't much time for anything else, whereas working an 8 hour day, I can literally go out drinking and have enough time to recuperate for the next day of work.
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