Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?
maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?
maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
In reply to novaderrik:
I don't see that happening anytime soon by most people......I'd rather buy quality the first time though. At the same time, I don't care where that quality item is made. 
I bought a 1/2" drive 12-point 3/4" socket and 3/4" to 1/2" drive reducer today from Napa; both made in Taiwan. Total: $35. That gets a whole set at Harbor freight! I only bought the more expensive stuff because HF didn't have those exact items on-hand.
novaderrik wrote:Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
Some things are hard to find not made in China...
mad_machine wrote:novaderrik wrote:Some things are hard to find not made in China...Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
Quoted for truth.
mad_machine wrote:novaderrik wrote:Some things are hard to find not made in China...Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
You know, I used to not pay attention, except for tools. I've never bought cheap tools, as it just doesn't pay off for me.
But since the recession started in or around '08, I've started to pay attention. And I'm often surprised at what I find. A good example is light bulbs. I find made in the USA bulbs right next to Chinese bulbs at Lowes, and the price is often virtually the same between them.
Sometimes there are no made in the USA options. In these cases I first re-evaluate how badly I need the product. Then I look for something not made in China. Then as a last resort, and if it is something I really need, I buy it regardless.
But for anyone that doesn't pay attention, I think you'd be surprised at how many times made in the USA products are available. I always ask at the auto parts store, and recently the counter guy told me that more and more people are asking the same question,and that they (Advance in this case) were trying to offer more made in the USA products.
yamaha wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I don't see that happening anytime soon by most people......I'd rather buy quality the first time though. [B]At the same time, I don't care where that quality item is made.[/B]
This.
mad_machine wrote:novaderrik wrote:Some things are hard to find not made in China...Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
What have you tried to buy where you couldn't find an equivalent quality, American made item?
Or is this more conjecture/hyperbole?
yamaha wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I don't see that happening anytime soon by most people......I'd rather buy quality the first time though. At the same time, I don't care where that quality item is made.
Maybe your wink means you're not serious here, but if you really don't care where things come from, you should. Either that, or don't complain when the country goes down the dumper or you lose your job because it was outsourced overseas. Maybe that can't happen with what you do for a living, but it can for many Americans, and that's why we should all care.
novaderrik wrote:Anti-stance wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I know why they are doing it but what would be the answer? Loosen up regulations and child labor laws here or China tighten it the berkeley up?maybe stop shopping on price alone and demand quality?
Just because it says it is made America, does not mean its the truth, just like most cars, after working at Sears, I learned that most of Craftsman tools are made in china. Drills, all the internals of hand tools, anything that has a engine is more then likely made in China. Honestly could someone even compete with them at this point, doesn't look like it.
In reply to trigun7469:
There are laws controlling what can say "Made in USA" or not. Sears broke those laws, and is getting in trouble for it. That doesn't mean that you can't trust products that say made in USA on them. In addition, it's only been in the past several years that they stopped making tools in the US. I used to work for Matco Tools, a division of Danaher, which also owns or did own Easco, later renamed the Danaher Tool Group. At that time, all Craftsman hand tools were made in the USA, and a Danaher plant in SC made the bulk of them.
bravenrace wrote:yamaha wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I don't see that happening anytime soon by most people......I'd rather buy quality the first time though. At the same time, I don't care where that quality item is made.Maybe your wink means you're not serious here, but if you really don't care where things come from, you should. Either that, or don't complain when the country goes down the dumper or you lose your job because it was outsourced overseas. Maybe that can't happen with what you do for a living, but it can for many Americans, and that's why we should all care.
So, hows the Chinese transmission in your "American" Mustang? (well, if it was a new one..) 
Sad fact is that with the globalization of markets and a need for complex goods, you would be surprised what you get from where without even noticing.
yamaha wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Riding a huge wave of irradiated Dolphin carcasses it picked up on the way past Japan, no doubt.On a related note to that comment, studies have shown you would have to eat 2.5 tons of Pacific Tuna in a year to even get a hazardous dose of radiation from it......and yet there are soo many left coasters believing a retard standing at a beach with a geiger counter beeping.
I wonder if this arguement is by the same people who believe the man on youtube armed with a Civil Defense geiger counter.
Yeah, but you'd probably ingest about 500 pounds of Mercury.
mad_machine wrote: Alaska has been warning for years of a "Yellow Mist" but nobody listened
That would have to be coming from Russia. I hear you can see Russia from your front porch in Alaska.
Apexcarver wrote:bravenrace wrote:So, hows the Chinese transmission in your "American" Mustang? (well, if it was a new one..)yamaha wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I don't see that happening anytime soon by most people......I'd rather buy quality the first time though. At the same time, I don't care where that quality item is made.Maybe your wink means you're not serious here, but if you really don't care where things come from, you should. Either that, or don't complain when the country goes down the dumper or you lose your job because it was outsourced overseas. Maybe that can't happen with what you do for a living, but it can for many Americans, and that's why we should all care.
No, I'm not surprised, because like I said, I pay attention. And just for the record, there is not one part on my mustang that wasn't made in the USA.
I feel like i'd like Chinese food way more if i could find some that wasn't made in America.
In reply to bravenrace:
European, North/South American, Japan/Korea, etc.......the only thing I normally go out of my way to ensure its made in the USA are a lighter(Zippo that is) I used to buy nothing but Chicago-Latrobe drillbits, but now I'm a PTD(Precision Twist Drill) fanboi.....oddly enough, PTD is owned by the Sandvik/Walter/Dormer conglomerate. I buy carbide/cobalt ones over high speed steel though.
Some things that I decide should be disposable, I go for least expensive.
Also, most of the business with industrial cutting/tooling is ruled by either Germany, Isreal, Sweden, or Japan. Most sawblades are still made here though.
Oh, PTD drillbits are all made in Brazil......yet they are better than every drill I've ever seen that is "Made in the USA" The only things better than them are Mitsubishi and Guhring(Both of which are exponentially more expensive)
bravenrace wrote:Apexcarver wrote:No, I'm not surprised, because like I said, I pay attention. And just for the record, there is not one part on my mustang that wasn't made in the USA.bravenrace wrote:So, hows the Chinese transmission in your "American" Mustang? (well, if it was a new one..)yamaha wrote: In reply to novaderrik: I don't see that happening anytime soon by most people......I'd rather buy quality the first time though. At the same time, I don't care where that quality item is made.Maybe your wink means you're not serious here, but if you really don't care where things come from, you should. Either that, or don't complain when the country goes down the dumper or you lose your job because it was outsourced overseas. Maybe that can't happen with what you do for a living, but it can for many Americans, and that's why we should all care.
I gotta call BS on that one. I guarantee something was made in Canada or Mexico at the very least.
Speaking of... HF sells bi-metal SuperCut bandsaw blades pretty cheap. They are awesome compared to the E36 M3 you get at hardware and/or big box stores.
SuperCuts website says they make all their products in the USA.
In reply to Bobzilla:
Well you are welcome to prove it. Otherwise, I don't think you can actually guarantee anything related to a car you've never seen. I would have to call BS on that.
In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:
On par with Morse?
Who cares about Craftsman moving to China? I mean... really?
That E36 M3 sucked bad for at least a few years before it moved to China.
Bad manufacturing is still bad manufacturing that shouldn't be supported, even IF it is in the good old U S of A.
I buy the best products i can afford, period. Buck stops there.
bravenrace wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: Well you are welcome to prove it. Otherwise, I don't think you can actually guarantee anything related to a car you've never seen. I would have to call BS on that.
I had to +1 that.
Also, I can't wait to get rid of my cheap Chinese cell phone and get a better Chinese cell phone
bravenrace wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: Well you are welcome to prove it. Otherwise, I don't think you can actually guarantee anything related to a car you've never seen. I would have to call BS on that.
According to your profile it has Koni's. Here are their ISO certificates showing that they are made in the Netherlands http://www.koni.com/company-link-header/quality/
Although, they are owned by ITT, which is "A global diversified manufacturing company based in the United States" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Corporation
If I am somehow wrong, I firmly believe that there will be some part you have overlooked in your statement. Not meaning to be argumentitave/antagonizing, just trying to point out how globalized things are now. It is hard to hammer down "made in" any one place these days. Is the term physical? Economic? What percentage of content? Most things with any complexity come from more than one place when you get down to it.
And maybe having a bit of fun with the challenge.
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