http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/27/us/florida-road-rage-killing/index.html
He's out legally on on $60k bond 
If his wife's "he's coming right at us!" defense is to be believed, he shot an unarmed man in his front yard for moving toward him. If not, he simply shot a dude dead in front of his family, which he then took hostage, for following him home
And the problem is?
The man's been charged, not convicted. Bond was set at $60K, he met the bond and is out. That's the way the law works. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off. Florida is a stand your ground state.
Someone should have stayed in his car.
Seriously, why did you follow the guy.. Egos + firearm = dead someone.
If I've learned anything about Florida it's:
1) If someone wants to teach you a lesson, you let them. 2) You don't teach people lessons.
Reminds me the grandpa who didn't like the father of two txting during the movie, lectured the dad about the phone, when the dad got pissed, grandpa shot him. Case in point.
Sometimes stupidity is deadly. Maybe not often enough.
I get the opportunity to avoid road rage incidents every day. Every. Damned. Day.
I haven't got shot, yet.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I don't know if the guy deserved to be shot. I wasn't there.
But when you decide that another driver is crazy, and you then decide the proper course of action is to follow the crazy man to his home, get out of your car and confront the crazy man, guess what? He might be crazy enough to shoot you. Congratulations on winning spot the loony.
The guy was definitely dumb to follow the road rage driver home and even dumber to get out of his car once there...but that's absolutely no justification to be shot.
Toyman01 wrote: And the problem is? The man's been charged, not convicted. Bond was set at $60K, he met the bond and is out. That's the way the law works. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off. Florida is a stand your ground state. Someone should have stayed in his car.
The shooter is insane and prone to deadly violence, it seems kinda wrong to let a guy like that out on the street IMO.
Following someone home and getting out of your car to walk towards his house is rude and vaguely threatening (and dumb in this case), but is about as good justification for deadly force as giving someone a nasty look.
GameboyRMH wrote:Toyman01 wrote: And the problem is? The man's been charged, not convicted. Bond was set at $60K, he met the bond and is out. That's the way the law works. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off. Florida is a stand your ground state. Someone should have stayed in his car.The shooter is insane and prone to deadly violence, it seems kinda wrong to let a guy like that out on the street IMO. Following someone home and getting out of your car to walk towards his house is rude and vaguely threatening (and dumb in this case), but is about as good justification for deadly force as giving someone a nasty look.
Or running a stop sign...
GameboyRMH wrote: The guy was definitely dumb to follow the road rage driver home and even dumber to get out of his car once there...but that's absolutely no justification to be shot.
Maybe not in itself but that's rarely the first stupid thing someone does. Do enough dumb things and one of them can kill you. It may be the time you launch firecrackers off your head, it may be the time you attack an alligator, or it could be following a nut home and confronting him on his lawn.
In reply to GameboyRMH:
Florida is a Stand Your Ground state. If you are approached in a threatening manner and reasonably believe you are facing bodily harm or death, you don't have to retreat, you can legally shoot the SOB dead. I wasn't there, so I don't know exactly what happened, but I would personally be inclined to take the word of the man that is standing in his own yard, facing someone that followed him home.
I don't have a problem with the shooter being out on bail, I also don't have a problem with the other idiot being dead. I'm also willing to let the courts and jury sort it out rather than making snap decisions about something I really know nothing about.
There's a lot of links in this chain that could have easily been broken by both parties. It's unfortunate it ended the way it did. Truth be told, I think this falls under Florida's "Stand your ground" law more than some of the other incidents we've read about.
Still unfortunate it ended the way it did.
GameboyRMH wrote: The guy was definitely dumb to follow the road rage driver home and even dumber to get out of his car once there...but that's absolutely no justification to be shot.
doesn't that sorta depend on what he was doing after following the guy home … if he came after him … I can see bad things happening …
deserve ? that's somewhat of a loaded question … like I said, it probably has a lot to do with what happened after they got to the guys house (which we don't have both sides of the story)
I can well see that happening if someone were to follow me home … again … depending on what they did/how they were acting when we got there
GameboyRMH wrote:Toyman01 wrote: And the problem is? The man's been charged, not convicted. Bond was set at $60K, he met the bond and is out. That's the way the law works. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off. Florida is a stand your ground state. Someone should have stayed in his car.The shooter is insane and prone to deadly violence, it seems kinda wrong to let a guy like that out on the street IMO. Following someone home and getting out of your car to walk towards his house is rude and vaguely threatening (and dumb in this case), but is about as good justification for deadly force as giving someone a nasty look.
Yea, that's just your opinion man.
Both party's were on the phone to 911. So clearly while it was "road rage" like it was more of a misunderstanding which had multiple and frequent opportunities to de-escalate. I don't know exactly, I wasn't there but if some one follows me all the way to my house and starts across the lawn at me.......depends on how they are behaving but odds of lead poisoning at that point are pretty high.
I'll reserve judgement until the judge and jury decide though.
Datsun1500 wrote: The guy wouldn't be dead if he didn't follow the guy to his house. No one forced him to.
To me, this is like saying "The guy wouldn't be dead if he didn't call the shooter a motherberkeleyer." Yes the dead guy did a stupid and rude thing for no good reason. But as far as we know, he did nothing that comes anywhere close to justifying the use of deadly force.
I listened to the 911 call from the shooter. He stated that he had already displayed the gun to the guy following him (who WAS the initiator of the incident). I agree both parties had many chances to not be douchebags, but if you're still following me after you know I'm armed and pissed off, I'm gonna assume you're not trying to apologize.
If Follower-Guy was crazy enough to follow Yard-Guy home, get out of his car and approach Yard-Guy, how was Yard-Guy to know Follower-Guy wasn't capable of crazier acts? 
Maybe the guy rolled through a stopsign near his house....
Datsun1500 wrote: The guy wouldn't be dead if he didn't follow the guy to his house. No one forced him to.
Funniest thing I've read in a long time.
And I've made plenty of stupid decisions when I'm pissed off, but it doesn't mean they weren't my fault.
Am I the only person that read the title as Crazy-ax murderer?
It'd be better if he was an axe murderer, then at least he'd have to get up close to kill you! (or be an expert axe-thrower 
)
A lot of people on here seem to think that approaching someone with some hint at potentially harmful intent is reason enough to kill someone, am I understanding that correctly? If so, I'll simply have to disagree. That kind of thinking might make sense in the ungoverned regions of Somalia but not the quiet suburbs of Florida.
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