In reply to alfadriver :
I'd place a pretty hard line between ABS/TC/HVAC/core infotainment and ADAS or tightly integrated infotainment.
Lumping everything together as a resistance to electronics I think mischaracterizes people's issues. Certainly, I'm not opposed to tech in my cars (I'm never going back to carbs if I can help it), but I am opposed to tech that's rolled out too soon, or which places obsolescence time bombs in what should be a very durable good, in the economic sense.
I've lived with ADAS for a year, and while I am not statistically significant, personal experience tells me we're being sold a thing to help pay for developing the actual workable thing. Thousands of dollars of sensors and tons of software have given me a vehicle which has done a panic stop at 50mph on a clear day, dry pavement, great visibility. None of my decades of low-tech cars have ever created a situation that dangerous without warning.
It feels minor by comparison, but having the bits of the infotainment system that need to bind to rapidly changing phones not be swappable because they are molded into the dash and also needed to adjust the HVAC or check oil level is just dumb. If it's integral to the functionality of the car, it should not be possible for Apple or Google to make breaking changes to their APIs.
DrBoost said:
Less electronics. MUCH less. And we're too far along in the automotive industry for vehicles to rust at 4 years old.
I wonder with the rust thing, how much of that is down to how people treat their vehicles?
In reply to Jesse Ransom :
Early cruise control sucked sometimes, too. Some early TC was incredibly intrusive, while others made racing a lot more fun. Same for ABS. Heck EFI wasn't evenly developed across the industry, but some did it really well, and some sucked at it.
Saying two things- 1) not everyone puts things out there are the same level so 2) don't condemn all of X technology because one or two OEMs suck at putting it out.
That goes for the infotainment system, as I'm not sure what you are talking about WRT and the oil level or anything specific like that.
Give it a early 90's BMW cruise control, dedicated stalk that operated like a gas pedal. No buttons, no turning it on, no looking down, it just worked.
up=on
down=off
forward= go faster
back=go slower
one tap either direction = 1 ?PH change
In reply to alfadriver :
I just don't see the equivalence between systems that are annoyingly subpar and systems that can actively make bad inputs with no warning. Shrug.
Regarding infotainment, I just mean that any screen used for any part of configuration or communication with the car itself (HVAC settings, in-built manual, service intervals, whatever) and which also needs to be tightly compatible with current phones is doomed to breakage. Consumer electronics change very quickly, probably more quickly than they should. The lifespan of a car should be way beyond that sort of time frame.
It is very much my impression that neither of these is "one or two OEMs," though it is of course very much true that they're not all the same.
In reply to p
Also ad one of those spinny whining noise makers under the hood ,drop it down a tad .4 inches works.
