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Salanis
Salanis SuperDork
7/29/10 8:39 p.m.

You know what's really funny though... how much people who don't live here see to care about what goes on.

oldsaw
oldsaw Dork
7/29/10 10:55 p.m.
Salanis wrote: You know what's really funny though... how much people who don't live here see to care about what goes on.

Funny - like a train wreck.

California is the advanced prototype for the current direction prescribed in DC. For decades, the state followed the lead of inept legislators who don't understand the word NO. Reduced revenue from limited property taxes is a small portion of the problem. Creating an atmosphere that encourages the tax base to leave the state seems a bigger piece of the pie.

As you said, no one has ever had the guts to limit spending.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/29/10 11:03 p.m.

well.. take for example the one thing we all hate about california CARB. The california air resources board.

They have to be the only group in the country that can fail a car that puts out almost NO pollution because something is not hooked up properly under the hood.. or some part that has nothing to do with emissions, is on the car, but not approved.

I never figured that out.. and the huge amount of government that has grown up behind it

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/29/10 11:04 p.m.

I've always enjoyed my visits to California simply for the warning signs. It might be simpler to just put up a sign that says that something is GOOD for your health. I found this sign on a car door - warning of grime.

I can understand CARB, unfortunately. It really is a good way to control emissions. With the number of people in California, something does need to be done to control them. Your standard annual emissions test really isn't all that difficult to pass.

In order to get a CARB EO, you have to prove that your new parts will not add to the car's emissions at all. That includes cold starts, evaporative emissions in a sealed chamber, high speed running, the whole shebang. They even mix the air going into the engine carefully so the exact mix coming out can be analyzed.

At the end of this, the parts manufacturer proves that part X will not affect the emissions of the car, and thus any identically equipped car will also be just as clean - so those cars get an EO and are thus approved.

Good in theory. In practice, it's pretty complex and like every bureaucracy, it's full of loopholes and kickbacks and incompetents. I've been through the process. Our CARB ref would simply turn off his phone about midway through Monday because he had enough calls to keep him busy for the week!

I haven't come up with a better way to do it, honestly. Assuming that cars are required to put out cleaner air than they take in, of course. Did you know it's almost impossible to get some brand new cars through a CARB certification test - bone stock?

96DXCivic
96DXCivic Dork
7/29/10 11:53 p.m.

My friend almost got his head kicked off for making a women joke in California. Seriously it is a berkeleying joke. Don't get your panties in a wad.

Luke
Luke SuperDork
7/29/10 11:59 p.m.

Did you tell them not to "get their panties in a wad" after your friend's women joke? You should have

GlennS
GlennS Dork
7/30/10 1:15 a.m.
Salanis wrote: You know what's really funny though... how much people who don't live here see to care about what goes on.

I would have an opinion about people from other states but none of them seem to be worth my time.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/30/10 7:58 a.m.

I almost moved to california back in the early 90s.. I am happier I stayed in new jersey

wbjones
wbjones Dork
7/30/10 3:43 p.m.

as hard as it is for me to envision myself ever living in New Jersey... I'd live there before I'd go back to PRC...

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
7/30/10 4:32 p.m.

some areas of NJ are nice.. especially those south of Toms River.

though I did just read something that makes me either very afraid or very happy.

Seems that due to budget shortfalls.. they are no longer doing safety checks in the garden state when doing the vehicle inspections. All they are testing is for emissions.

I need to double check and see if this is true

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