I was watching the Nascar race at Indy. Montoya had the raced sewed up until late in the race and he is penalized for speeding in the pits. My first thought, Nascar doesn't want him to win. They want one of the Hendricks cars, namely Mark Martin who was running a strong second most of the race. but Jimmy fooled them. Maybe it was legit, but it sured looked curious.
I just remember the remarks that got Tony Stewart in so much trouble about debris cautions
I was listening to the race on the radio as I was driving towards Indy. It sucks, would have been really cool to see JPM win to be first. Also would have been kinda neat to see Martin or Gordon win. Though I did want to say something to the announcers. Before the race, they kept saying Jeff Gordon could become the first to win five times at Indy. This is true for the oval, but Schumacher has won five times on the infield.
It always bothers me when the announcers pull that "Indianapolis Champion" crap for the NASCAR or F1 races.
The Indy 500 is so much more dangerous, grueling, and historically significant than the NASCAR or F1 races held there. It always bothers me when they cheapen the 500 victories by saying Gordon is a 4 time Indy Champion. Sure it may be technically accurate, but it still bugs me.
Now, before I get jumped on, I realize the Indy 500 is a shell of it's former self, and the IRL/ Champ Car series is pretty insignificant. There is still a major difference in piloting a car travelling 225 mph for 500 miles, compared to driving a Stock Car for 400 miles at 185mph.
it just bugs me
JPM: "I swear on my children and my wife, I was not speeding!"
NASCAR: "We give them a leeway of 5 mph over. JPM exceeded that in two different places on pit road."
In reply to Joe Gearin:
I've got no problem with what you've said. The 500 is the most important event at IMS. But, if they're going to make a big deal about Gordon possibly being the first driver to win 5 times on the oval, I just want them to say so. If thay want to say he would be the first to win five at the track that's not correct.
Debbie Brozyna wrote: JPM: "I swear on my children and my wife, I was not speeding!" NASCAR: "We give them a leeway of 5 mph over. JPM exceeded that in two different places on pit road."
I don't really give a rat's you-know about NASCAR, but this is what my local paper reported this morning:
"Drivers don't have speedometers and base their speed on RPMs, but Montoya insisted he wasn't speeding. NASCAR said its electronic timing system caught him twice exceeding the 59.99 mph limit - once at 60.06 mph and later at 60.11 mph."
I'm just sayin....
And not to mix apples with oranges, but didn't Montoya win the race NASCAR had in Latin America a year or two ago. What a coincidence.
I agree with you griffin. If they are going to put it in that context, they should include Schumacher.
To me NASCAR, while occasionally entertaining has always been a case of some cars/ teams being "more equal" than others. It is entertainment first, competition second.
just my .02
I wonder if Montoya's team has telemetry to back up his claim of not speeding. Not that it would matter much.
Telemtry is only allowed in testing, oh yeah they have a testing ban in place.
In reply to bludroptop: I don't suppose NASCAR would release everyone's pit speed times. Unless by court order.
Blue droptop: JPM won the race in Mexico City by punting Scott Pruett out of the lead. If the fix was on, no one told Pruett.
Griffin729: The testing ban doesn't extend to tracks that aren't on the Sprint Cup schedule. Teams still test at Rockingham, Kentucky, VIR and a few other places.
I can't help it, guys. I always find myself defending NASCAR to the haters and explaining its problems to the fanboys.
But one reason I don't buy the idea that NASCAR is fixed is that Jr. hasn't won a Cup title yet. If I had a racing series and decided to fix it you bet I'd fix it so as to sell the most tickets, and Jr. + title shot = ticket sales.
bludroptop wrote:Debbie Brozyna wrote: JPM: "I swear on my children and my wife, I was not speeding!" NASCAR: "We give them a leeway of 5 mph over. JPM exceeded that in two different places on pit road."I don't really give a rat's you-know about NASCAR, but this is what my local paper reported this morning: "Drivers don't have speedometers and base their speed on RPMs, but Montoya insisted he wasn't speeding. NASCAR said its electronic timing system caught him twice exceeding the 59.99 mph limit - once at 60.06 mph and later at 60.11 mph." I'm just sayin....
Not a NASCAR guy myself, but I suspect that 59.99 includes the 5mph leeway. I bet it's 55mph + 5.
good article on why he wasn't robbed: http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AnE9ojUoIe2uq4fuxUfqYxPov7YF?slug=jf-fryersfive072709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
keethrax wrote: Not a NASCAR guy myself, but I suspect that 59.99 includes the 5mph leeway. I bet it's 55mph + 5.
That is correct, though I think that NASCAR saying the limit is 55 + 5 with no penalty is silly. Just say the limit is 60.00 and if you're too fast you're too fast--no exceptions.
He was speeding. They have a clear cutoff of 5.00 apparently. If you are at 5.01 over, you are beyond the cutoff. Don't drive 5.00 over and you won't put yourself on the edge like that. Or, if you do go over, GO ALL OUT and do 150.00 over. Might as well...
Robbed? No. Should he have won? Maybe, but he should have watched his speed--it was his own fault.
Will wrote:keethrax wrote: Not a NASCAR guy myself, but I suspect that 59.99 includes the 5mph leeway. I bet it's 55mph + 5.That is correct, though I think that NASCAR saying the limit is 55 + 5 with no penalty is silly. Just say the limit is 60.00 and if you're too fast you're too fast--no exceptions.
Oh, I agree there. I guess it's just so you're not theoretically quibbling over hundredths of a mph. You can say you were "way over the limit".
Of course since everyone knows the leeway it's sorta like people who set their clocks ahead 10 minutes to not be late. They know the clocks are wrong and adjust accordingly.
bludroptop wrote: And not to mix apples with oranges, but didn't Montoya win the race NASCAR had in Latin America a year or two ago. What a coincidence.
Montoya is Colombian, him winning a race in Mexico is as significant (or insignificant) as a Canadian driver winning in the United States. The only real commonality between Colombia and Mexico, in this case, is the Spanish language. In my example, at least Canada and the United States are on the same continent.
he has also won a sprint cup race in the past...he won at Sonoma in his first full season.
The speed limit was 55, they give them 5 mph because they have to use the tach to judge there speed. There is a site where you can pick a car and see it's in car camera and telemety at home. And if I remember from the last time we played with it there was a way to see pit road speeds. He broke the rule and got caught. He wasn't the first and won't be the last but it doesn't mean its fixed, or like many of you want to believe, because he's a furriner(sic).
Look, I like Montoya and I don't hate NASCAR. However, NASCAR has a credibility problem, and they haven't done themselves a lot of favors lately.
I've never been more than casually interested, but I have regular contact with long-time, serious fans. These guys have lost faith, and while they won't quite come out and say "fixed" (and I haven't either), they're fed-up with the whole thing.
I watched the Mexico City race and Montoya was described by the announcers as an overwhelming local favorite, over and over. Much ado was made about how 'significant' Montoya's win might be in NASCAR's efforts to expand its fan base.
Face it - if the hometown favorite wins...
Just like the kid from CT who won his first race a few weeks ago at the track he 'grew up at'. Makes a great story. Was it engineered to be that way? I don't think so but like I said - NASCAR has a credibility problem.
The quote I posted earlier - from a print newspaper - clearly gave the impression that he was over by roughly 1/10th MPH, not 5+ MPH. That sort of report causes fans to think NASCAR is trying to manipulate the race. So if that info isn't from NASCAR, who's trying to stir e36M3 up? The newspapers?
bludroptop wrote: So if that info isn't from NASCAR, who's trying to stir e36M3 up? The newspapers?
I doubt it, they've never screwed up facts before 
I agree that NASCAR leaves itself open to the appearance of impropriety, letting the tin foil hat brigade run wild. Instead of saying exactly how someone broke a rule they just fall back on the old "actions detrimental to stock car racing" mantra. They don't release pit road speeds for everyone as has been mentioned. They hand out restrictor plates to individual teams rather than have a big box o' restrictor plates where there's no way to give out a "special" plate. And don't get me started on debris cautions. This lack of transparency is my biggest problem with NASCAR, and I've watched it since 1991. I respect the hell out of the drivers but it's getting hard to take the race management seriously.
I have been watching NASCAR since:
were running at Richmond...
I watch now to see who gets to complain next.
The race cars are neat in a technical sense but the sport has devolved into an advertising blitz.
My favorite quote from another site, concening NASCAR:
"If I wanted to watch a bunch of bright colors go around in circles, I'd just dump a bag of Skittles into the toilet and flush it."
Wally wrote: The speed limit was 55, they give them 5 mph because they have to use the tach to judge there speed. There is a site where you can pick a car and see it's in car camera and telemety at home. And if I remember from the last time we played with it there was a way to see pit road speeds. He broke the rule and got caught. He wasn't the first and won't be the last but it doesn't mean its fixed, or like many of you want to believe, because he's a furriner(sic).
Did anyone else remember seeing the coverage and hearing Montoya talking about some box that has a red or green light that drivers use to judge speed on pit row? Apparently, if the light is showing green, you are within the limit, and Montoya said that the light was green the whole time.
Maybe it was just a calibration issue, but I had always heard the same thing about pit road speed being determined by RPM's.
Just found it interesting.
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