wbjones
wbjones Dork
10/16/10 11:38 a.m.

collective wisdom of the board says ?

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1546/cars-most-likely-to-get-a-ticket/

Contrary to popular belief, drivers in red cars don't get ticketed more often than their less-flashy comrades. Middle-aged males with a thing for foreign brands, on the other hand, had better watch out.

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» Cars Most Likely To Get A Ticket » Most And Least Expensive Cars To Insure » Worst-Made Cars On The Road » The Most-Stolen Cars Men who drive a Volkswagen GTI or Mercedes-Benz CLS-63 AMG are twice as likely to get a ticket than the average driver. If they're in a Hummer, they might as well plan on it--drivers of the Hummer H2 face more than triple the chances of a citation.

"It's the combination of the male driver driving the big old Hummer and a mid-life kind of person feeling good," says Bob U'Ren, senior vice president at Quality Planning, a San Francisco-based company that validates policyholder information for auto insurers. "That's the magical combination that drives some of these things.

To determine the cars most likely to get a ticket, Quality Planning's analysts looked at traffic violation data from February 2009 through February 2010, counting the number of violations racked up by different car models. To account for the difference in number of cars on the road, they averaged the violation count per 100,000 miles driven. Vehicles that have been discontinued for more than 10 years were not included in the analysis.

The most-ticketed car on the road, the Mercedes-Benz SL-Class, is a two-door luxury convertible--suggested retail price for a SL550 Roadster is $102,600. Drivers of these cars are four times more likely to get a ticket than the average person.

Luxury coupes and sedans dominate our list: Only one SUV (the Hummer H2) and two hatchbacks (the Scion xB and Volkswagen GTI) appear on the top 10, and no minivans or wagons.

In fact, according to Quality Planning data, 8 of the 10 least-ticketed cars are SUVs and minivans. U'Ren says that's because drivers who carry multiple passengers--especially young passengers in car seats--significantly alter the way they drive. (For example, it's likely many drivers of No. 3, the Scion tC coupe, aren't toting kids.)

Our list of the cars most likely to get a ticket includes only two autos manufactured by Detroit's Big Three, both of them discontinued: the Hummer H2 and the Pontiac Grand Prix. Drivers of GM's discontinued sedan are almost twice as likely than the average commuter to be ticketed behind the wheel.

Another standout on the list: the Toyota Camry. Not known for its glamour or luxury, it makes the list for reasons having little to do with its mainstream popularity. U'Ren says there's a large segment of Camry drivers who are proportionally disposed for violations: older women, who are less likely to be driving with kids. It's also important to remember that this segment includes the Solara coupe--a sportier version than the ho-hum Camry sedan. "Sixty percent of those drivers are female, and they're a little bit older--50 years old on average," U'Ren says. "That's the profile of the type of person that would buy and drive a Camry and Solara--and drive it quickly."

Mercedes-Benz SL-Class

Segment: Convertible Times more likely to get a ticket: 4 Violations per 100,000 miles driven, as a percentage of average: 404% Gender breakdown of drivers: 41% male, 59% female Average driver age: 53

Toyota Camry

Segment: Coupe Times more likely to get a ticket: 3.5 Violations per 100,000 miles driven, as a percentage of average: 349% Gender breakdown of drivers: 38% male, 62% female Average driver age: 50

Scion tC

Segment: Coupe Times more likely to get a ticket: 3.4 Violations per 100,000 miles driven, as a percentage of average: 343% Gender breakdown of drivers: 39% male, 61% female Average driver age: 30

Hummer H2

Segment: SUV Times more likely to get a ticket: 2.9 Violations per 100,000 miles driven, as a percentage of average: 292% Gender breakdown of drivers: 73% male, 27% female Average driver age: 46

Scion xB

Segment: Hatchback Times more likely to get a ticket: 2.7 Violations per 100,000 miles driven, as a percentage of average: 270% Gender breakdown of drivers: 40% male, 60% female Average driver age: 37

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
10/17/10 9:39 a.m.

The bit about the SL and the GTI makes sense.

While in different income brackets, both cars serve the same purpose. Transporting the driver comfortably. And quickly.

When I read that the GTI made that list, I laughed.

I have a friend with a 2010 GTI. He's 34. He drives like an shiny happy person. He's always tailgating, jumping in front of people, etc. He thinks he's a great driver and won't let anyone tell him differently. I imagine the SL attracts a similar customer.

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1988RedT2
1988RedT2 HalfDork
10/17/10 9:44 a.m.

The SL making that list is no surprise. SL owners think their E36 M3 doesn't stink and that the law doesn't apply to them, just the stinking mass of humanity that has the unmitigated gall to clog up their roads at rush hour.

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
10/17/10 9:50 a.m.

Exactly! That's exactly what my GTI-driving friend is like.

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/17/10 10:16 a.m.

When I turned 30, I became invisible to police.

I only use my powers for Good.

This nixes my plans for a 3S-GTE engined Camry, though.

Osterkraut
Osterkraut Dork
10/17/10 10:53 a.m.

To be fair to SL drivers, Steve Jobs is skewing their results a little...

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
10/17/10 12:40 p.m.

The cloak of invisibility is a retired squad car.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Dork
10/17/10 1:08 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: The cloak of invisibility is a retired squad car.

Or a minivan...

Or a volvo wagon...

Grtechguy
Grtechguy SuperDork
10/17/10 1:19 p.m.

Yep. our dark blue 05 Town and Country is invisibly to radar or troopers eyes.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
10/17/10 6:01 p.m.

Gold anything is also invisible.

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
10/17/10 6:17 p.m.

The problem with driving a minivan is that it also removes the ability of the driver to use turn signals. It also seems to force right turns to be made into the left lane, and vice-versa.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
10/17/10 7:11 p.m.
Osterkraut wrote: To be fair to SL drivers, Steve Jobs is skewing their results a little...

We have two customers with these in black. One has body shop bills of over $30K in two years, the other is around $25k. Enough money to buy a hot car does not necessarily mean one has the sense to drive it properly.

JFX001
JFX001 SuperDork
10/17/10 8:02 p.m.
Jensenman wrote:
Osterkraut wrote: To be fair to SL drivers, Steve Jobs is skewing their results a little...
We have two customers with these in black. One has body shop bills of over $30K in two years, the other is around $25k. Enough money to buy a hot car does not necessarily mean one has the sense to drive it properly.

Ummmm....hmmmm.....Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen???

Jay
Jay Dork
10/17/10 10:58 p.m.

Instead of calling it "cars most likely to get ticketed," how about "cars most likely to be bought by a numbskull who gets ticketed?" Those H2s ain't driving themselves.

It infuriates me how insurance companies can get away with raising MY rates by citing to bunk 'studies' like these. I don't even speed. Oh yeah, that's what happens when you have a captive market.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 HalfDork
10/18/10 6:37 a.m.
Jay wrote: Instead of calling it "cars most likely to get ticketed," how about "cars most likely to be bought by a numbskull who gets ticketed?" Those H2s ain't driving themselves. It infuriates me how insurance companies can get away with raising MY rates by citing to bunk 'studies' like these. I don't even speed. Oh yeah, that's what happens when you have a captive market.

Very good point about the whole insurance racket. The insurance business makes the mafia look ethical.

3Door4G
3Door4G Reader
10/18/10 11:51 a.m.

I wonder if a study has ever been done on differences in driving behavior between cars.

Like is there a difference in Joe Schmoe's driving behavior when he's in a GTI compared to when he's in a Hyundai Accent?

If there is such a study, i'd love to read it.

mndsm
mndsm Dork
10/18/10 12:02 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote:
Jay wrote: Instead of calling it "cars most likely to get ticketed," how about "cars most likely to be bought by a numbskull who gets ticketed?" Those H2s ain't driving themselves. It infuriates me how insurance companies can get away with raising MY rates by citing to bunk 'studies' like these. I don't even speed. Oh yeah, that's what happens when you have a captive market.
Very good point about the whole insurance racket. The insurance business makes the mafia look ethical.

True story. Somehow, a 15 year old Ford Taurus was set to cost me as much to insure as a 4 year old Mazdaspeed 3, when the Taurus is worth like, a dollar, and the ms3 is all fast and whatnot. HAS to be something with the drivers.

oldsaw
oldsaw SuperDork
10/18/10 12:11 p.m.
1988RedT2 wrote:
Jay wrote: Instead of calling it "cars most likely to get ticketed," how about "cars most likely to be bought by a numbskull who gets ticketed?" Those H2s ain't driving themselves. It infuriates me how insurance companies can get away with raising MY rates by citing to bunk 'studies' like these. I don't even speed. Oh yeah, that's what happens when you have a captive market.
Very good point about the whole insurance racket. The insurance business makes the mafia look ethical.

Nah, the insurance industry uses the mantra of government - hold everybody accountable for the actions of the few.

Both make the mafia look good.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/18/10 12:30 p.m.
mndsm wrote: True story. Somehow, a 15 year old Ford Taurus was set to cost me as much to insure as a 4 year old Mazdaspeed 3, when the Taurus is worth like, a dollar, and the ms3 is all fast and whatnot. HAS to be something with the drivers.

My insurance just went up. I have the 318ti and the Saab 900s on it now.. both with comp, but without collision.

For some reason, the saab costs me $10 more a month than the BMW.. even though it is older, slower, and worth less.

Right now, I pay 180(roughly) a month to insure 2 cars in NJ. I live in a rural area, I am 40, and I have not had a ticket in 10 years.. and oh year.. I just got a notice that because of the economy, my insurance is going up 17.8%

4eyes
4eyes HalfDork
10/20/10 1:00 a.m.

In the last two years, all the wrecks and near misses I have personaly witnessed, were initiated by minivans and SUV's. So...... the persons most likely to cause an accident are the least ticketed.

wbjones
wbjones Dork
10/20/10 5:08 p.m.
mad_machine wrote:
mndsm wrote: True story. Somehow, a 15 year old Ford Taurus was set to cost me as much to insure as a 4 year old Mazdaspeed 3, when the Taurus is worth like, a dollar, and the ms3 is all fast and whatnot. HAS to be something with the drivers.
My insurance just went up. I have the 318ti and the Saab 900s on it now.. both with comp, but without collision. For some reason, the saab costs me $10 more a month than the BMW.. even though it is older, slower, and worth less. Right now, I pay 180(roughly) a month to insure 2 cars in NJ. I live in a rural area, I am 40, and I have not had a ticket in 10 years.. and oh year.. I just got a notice that because of the economy, my insurance is going up 17.8%

I'd start hunting for another company

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy HalfDork
10/20/10 6:00 p.m.
3Door4G wrote: I wonder if a study has ever been done on differences in driving behavior between cars. Like is there a difference in Joe Schmoe's driving behavior when he's in a GTI compared to when he's in a Hyundai Accent? If there is such a study, i'd love to read it.

We had a Suzuki SJ410 shop truck back in the 80's. For the Yanks in the crowd, thats a 1000cc 4 cylinder 4x4- pickup kinda thing. A person could drive those things like an absolute hooligan, and nobody would ever look at you- if you dragraced away from every traffic light, you still lost most of the races to people in the other lane who didn't know they were racing.

Do that in a real vehicle, you'd be walking in no time.

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