Datsun1500 wrote:Gearheadotaku wrote: Too bad we can't buy a few square miles for land and create a GRM neighborhood. Everyone gets an acre, communal trailer parking at the end of each block and a test track will surround the whole thing.If we do that, there are a few topics we can't ever bring up....
What happens in GRM-land stays in GRM-land (usually under 12" of concrete and rebar) ducks
When I was 4, my neighbor's kid poisoned my cat. Not on accident, not "trying to feed it but gave it the wrong thing," he fed the cat poisoned cat food. Why, you ask? Because he is a sociopath.
AngryCorvair wrote: Disclaimer: i'm not a property attorney and i didn't stay at a holiday inn express last night.SilverFleet wrote: A month ago, they came over and informed us that we are encroaching on their property because my Trans Am which was parked on my driveway was partially over their property line and they want it moved so they can clean their side of the fence (which I have been doing for the past 4 years). Fair enough, I moved it, but they kept complaining. They came storming over with surveyed property plans and everything, and showed us that their property extended into the middle of our driveway.how old are the garage and driveway? maybe there's a time limit on how long that property is actually "theirs" if there's a protest-able encroachment that does not get officially protested through the assessors office. it would be wicked awesome if you could get that bit of "their" property officially annexed to your property since the encroachment has been there for so long as to become un-protest-able.
I am not a real property attorney but I work directly for 2 and I don't want to stray too far from the topic, however, I'd want this straightened out ASAP (assuming you aren't renting the property).
It is something that should have been disclosed to you prior to closing. If it wasn't disclosed, and you have title insurance, it could be a potential claim. My neighbors and I have an overlap problem due to a typo in their deed that I discovered when they redid their driveway (our drives are adjacent to each other). While neither of us currently care, it will be an issue if either of us moves.
SilverFleet wrote: They came storming over with surveyed property plans and everything, and showed us that their property extended into the middle of our driveway.
I'd get a buddy in an EPA costume to discover some batteries and other hazardous waste on that bit of land and video tape them saying it's your driveway.
And because it would be hilarious.
Or, as Katie suggested... just give them poisoned cat food.
chrispy wrote:AngryCorvair wrote: Disclaimer: i'm not a property attorney and i didn't stay at a holiday inn express last night.I am not a real property attorney but I work directly for 2 and I don't want to stray too far from the topic, however, I'd want this straightened out ASAP (assuming you aren't renting the property). It is something that should have been disclosed to you prior to closing. If it wasn't disclosed, and you have title insurance, it could be a potential claim. My neighbors and I have an overlap problem due to a typo in their deed that I discovered when they redid their driveway (our drives are adjacent to each other). While neither of us currently care, it will be an issue if either of us moves.SilverFleet wrote: A month ago, they came over and informed us that we are encroaching on their property because my Trans Am which was parked on my driveway was partially over their property line and they want it moved so they can clean their side of the fence (which I have been doing for the past 4 years). Fair enough, I moved it, but they kept complaining. They came storming over with surveyed property plans and everything, and showed us that their property extended into the middle of our driveway.how old are the garage and driveway? maybe there's a time limit on how long that property is actually "theirs" if there's a protest-able encroachment that does not get officially protested through the assessors office. it would be wicked awesome if you could get that bit of "their" property officially annexed to your property since the encroachment has been there for so long as to become un-protest-able.
Look up "Adverse Possession" law in your area. Basically, if everybody thinks the property line is in X location (like between the 2 driveways) and has been acting like it for years, that can override even if the deed says Y.
Lucky for me, My neighbor on the one side parks his boat on my land and knows it and the shed on the other side is on my land and the new owner knows that too. They piss me off and I have a nice boat and shed. :)
I live in suburbia, my neighbor across the street (he lives on a corner, I face the side of his house) doesn't seem to like me much. Actually, he seems nice enough, it's probably his wife. She doesn't like people parking on the street on the side of their house. I get the stink eye sometimes.
Pretty sure she called HOA on me, that my grass isn't green enough. Sorry, it's a rental, I have a gardener and water it regularly, I'm not tearing out this crab grass and laying down good sod. I could leave the weeds to spread and those are greener for more of the year, nah...
That's the worst of it, so it's not even remotely bad. I like my neighborhood and the rest of my neighbors are great, we bbq and hang out. I'm prob the "ghetto" one on the block cus I'm just the weirdo who works on cars for fun.
Our closest neighbour is an 70 something year old guy. His niece and her husband moved in last year to help him out as his health is failing. We have no issues with them but our east paddock runs adjacent to their land. The niece was out walking their dog one day and stopped me at my mailbox. She stated that they really enjoyed watching our horses from their back deck but was there anything we could do about the smell? I just laughed.
Hasbro wrote: There's only one way to deal with a bully, just as Gamby did, and that's to burn their berkeleying house to the ground.
FTFY
i hate the old bag up the street. she always bitches to the friendly guy across the street about us. we have too many cars, wheels in neat stacks are not acceptable yard decor, my boat and cargo trailer make it look low rent. she called the township on me and i got a nasty letter about having 2 junk vehicles(parts cars, and i part crap out fast usually) in the driveway and i must remove them in 30 days... she lives in a different township even, the road is the border.
she's moving to florida and i couldn't be happier. her house looks like ass. her barn is falling down and nothing has been painted in years. and she has the nerve to bitch behind my back? i told the guy across the street anyone who has anything to say about me can say it to my face, she never accepted my request. she's probably have dropped dead on the spot when i was done with her though, so most likely for the best that she didn't.
patgizz wrote: my boat and cargo trailer make it look low rent.
guess I should be happy to have cool neighbors now.
As long as there is no HOA or Deed Restrictions on your property, tell him to eff off.
One of my immediate neighbors are nice but they are always home, both the guy and gal. They have jobs and don't work from home but yet they are always home day and night. The other side is the shiny happy Mormons. The wife is the worst. She is a stay at home mom, June Cleaver type, even much worse. She's made personally disparaging comments about my children, complained to me about neighbors across the street who she knows I'm friends with. Hubby is nice but she is clearly the dominant of the two he hardly ever comes outside. Except for one, all their kids are foul mouthed bullies in training.
A few years ago my wife was out mowing the lawn and accidently mowed a few inches into her property. She immediately came barn storming out of her house (in her grandma Walton robe as my wife described it) and sternly told my wife not to mow on her side of the property line.
The last was when she made my youngest daughter, who was 6 at the time, cry because she told her to her face (when I wasn't home but my wife was) that she wasn't inviting her to (her same age) daughters birthday party because they had enough people coming as it was. I later found out it was because we aren't Mormon.
After that she subtly tried to convert us to Mormonism. It didn't work. She can't figure out why I won't give her the time of day.
drainoil wrote: One of my immediate neighbors are nice but they are always home, both the guy and gal. They have jobs and don't work from home but yet they are always home day and night. The other side is the shiny happy Mormons. The wife is the worst. She is a stay at home mom, June Cleaver type, even much worse. She's made personally disparaging comments about my children, complained to me about neighbors across the street who she knows I'm friends with. Hubby is nice but she is clearly the dominant of the two he hardly ever comes outside. Except for one, all their kids are foul mouthed bullies in training. A few years ago my wife was out mowing the lawn and accidently mowed a few inches into her phe immediately came barn storming out of her house (in her grandma Walton robe as my wife described it) and sternly told my wife not to.across the property line. The last was when she made my youngest daughter, who was 6 at the time, cry because she told her to.her face (when I wasn't home but my wife was) t she wasn't inviting her to.her same age daughters birthday party because they had enough people coming as it was. I later found out it was because we aren't Mormon. After that she subtly tried to convert us to Mormonism. It didn't work.
drainoil wrote: She is a stay at home mom, June Cleaver type, even much worse. She's made personally disparaging comments about my children, complained to me about neighbors across the street who she knows I'm friends with.
Oh yeah, June Cleaver was such a bitch on Leave it to Beaver. 
About that property line...
When we were looking at the house, the real estate attorney and the bank examined the land deed and said that theirs did extend over a little bit, like 3-6" past their fence. The thing is that the neighbors spent "around $3k" getting it surveyed without anyone knowing about 10 years ago when they built a garage on the other side of the house. The marker is right in the middle of the top of our driveway. Aside from hiring our own surveyor, we don't really have a leg to stand on, because the bank's assessment doesn't count here in MA. So now, we just park on our side. I now park on my lawn instead of the driveway because of this B.S. (my T/A and my wife's car stay in the driveway).
Fleet, sounds like you have psycho neighbors like mine here in Carver. They go out of their way to give me grief and try to annoy me. Their favorite thing now is to drive slowly past my house and beep the car horn every time they come and go. Currently there are four generations and 7 adults living there, none of which work. Thats alot of cars coming and going. I'm actively looking for one of those loud bells that you hang on the garage and it rings when the phone rings. I work all day, so I want to call my house and let it ring all day while I'm gone.
Gearheadotaku wrote: Too bad we can't buy a few square miles for land and create a GRM neighborhood. Everyone gets an acre, communal trailer parking at the end of each block and a test track will surround the whole thing.
Sum bitch, if I hit the lottery I am so doing this? Try and zone it as a commune or something of the like.
I would love to live in a motorsports commune. If we pooled our nickels and dimes, we could pull it off.
You guys need to just step up and tell them where to shove it. Not HOA or owners association go jump in a lake and on your property.
We had one of our neighbors at the old house jump the backyard fence to tell me that a tree was would start to block his view in a few year. Waving a bloody pencil in my face and a piece of paper saying that I needed to sign off that I would remove it.
I told him I would shove it through him throat and use his blood for the iron my tomato's were missing that year. Never bothered me again.
wearymicrobe wrote: You guys need to just step up and tell them where to shove it. Not HOA or owners association go jump in a lake and on your property. We had one of our neighbors at the old house jump the backyard fence to tell me that a tree was would start to block his view in a few year. Waving a bloody pencil in my face and a piece of paper saying that I needed to sign off that I would remove it. I told him I would shove it through him throat and use his blood for the iron my tomato's were missing that year. Never bothered me again.
At that point all I would be saying is I feel threatened on my own property, I took care of the threat to myself and my family and I want a lawyer. Then the police cannot question you any more until your representation is present
Because I would have the right...to remain silent
ryanty22 wrote: Because I would have the right...to remain silent
I am so much more calm and collected then a used to be. Now I would just shrug it off but then man I used to piss vinegar for some reason. Just a huge chip on my shoulder for some reason.
i don't know who did it, but someone took the VINs and license plate numbers of 4 vehicles that i had sitting in my back yard out of sight and sent them into the county and township in the house i bought back in 2002... my closest neighbor was 1/4 mile away on the other side of the road... it might have been the owner of the 100+ acres of prime hayfield and swamp- umm, i mean "wetland"- that my one acre was carved out of back in 1947. my property was zoned agricultural at the time, so it's not like it was in a residential neighborhood...
anyways, i took the license plates off all of the vehicles when i parked them at the back of the lot where they weren't visible from the road- the only way to see them was to either walk back thru the hay field on the other side of the fence or walk onto my property and go back there.. i got a notice from the county with all the VINs and license plate numbers listed that that all vehicles had to be registered in my name and have current registration or get towed by the county at my expense.. so i did the only logical thing i could think of at the time: i transferred the three that weren't in my name into my name and put tabs on all of them, then parked them in my front yard for the next 3 months so that all the people driving past my place to get to the members only golf course/country club a half mile past me got to get a nice look at my fleet.. during that time, i had a rusted out 79 Ford van, a rusted out 83 GMC truck, a fugly brown 77 Impala 2 door, and something else that i forget at the moment sitting in my front yard, in addition to the 92 and 94 9C1 Caprices and the 78 Ford LTD2 that i had insured and rotated as my daily drivers at the time..
i only moved them when i decided to scrap 2 of them out (GMC truck and Ford van) and got sick of moving them to mow every week..
i never got a single complaint about any of the junkers that i had around at any given time for the remaining 3 years that i lived there, and i had as many as 11 cars at one point..
SilverFleet wrote: To the OP: Do you happen to live on the other side of my neighbors? This sounds all too familiar. (RANT TIME!!!) We live in a rural suburb way south of Boston, MA. It's kinda nice, but not ritzy at all, and we moved here just about 4 years ago. We have been at war with our stupid old bags of E36 M3 neighbors pretty much since we moved in. The first time they came over to talk to us, they tried to set "neighborhood rules" with us. They asked us to be quiet after 9pm because that's when they go to sleep, to make sure to keep our lawn and yard mowed, to make sure to never use our patio's built-in fire pit, and to make sure that we take care of the property on our side of their fence. Mind you, our neighborhood is the furthest thing from a HOA... we live in the country! They cited that the former inhabitants of our house, which was a former rental, were loud and obnoxious, so we better not be like them. Every time they are outside and we are, they complain about some mundane thing that we are or aren't doing, and talk down to us. The real trouble with them started last year. We had a strong storm come through and a tree WAY back on our property came down and smashed their already-mangled (previously hit by another tree and rusty) old chain link fence at the very back corner of their property. According to MA law, it is not up to us to pay for the fence; it is up to the insurance company of the owner of the fence, as it is covered by their insurance policy. Being nice neighbors, we attempted for TWO WEEKS to go and talk to them and maybe help them out with the cost, but they were never home. We gave up and moved on with our lives. Later that month, I was out working on my truck, and one of them comes over to me and starts giving me a hard time, and telling me how disappointed they are with us. I told him that we tried going over there and they were never home. He didn't care and kept the attitude rolling, and I pretty much told them that I wasn't responsible and if he's gonna pull that attitude with me over a tree smashing his previously smashed fence that he could go berkeley off. By law, it's not my damn problem. Since then, he has nitpicked EVERYTHING we do to the point that I don't want to be outside when they are. This past March, my wife and I adopted a dog. She is a 2 year old Pit/Shepherd mix (maybe, according to the shelter) and she has been a great dog. We were playing with her out in the yard, and she saw my neighbor and barked. That prompted him to immediately come over and tell me that he is not going to put up with our dog barking at him when he is outside. I told him that she is a DOG and that's what they do. She is not breaking any laws, and he can deal with it. A month ago, they came over and informed us that we are encroaching on their property because my Trans Am which was parked on my driveway was partially over their property line and they want it moved so they can clean their side of the fence (which I have been doing for the past 4 years). Fair enough, I moved it, but they kept complaining. They came storming over with surveyed property plans and everything, and showed us that their property extended into the middle of our driveway. That resulted in a 2 hour debacle with the female neighbor stating that she will block any renovations we try to do to our house, including the renovation of my garage that is on the property line, because it's an eye sore to them. State and town law dictates that the building is grandfathered in and can be renovated without issue, so they can go to hell. My theory is that I think they wanted to buy the property and knock everything down, but we swooped in and bought it before they could, so they are all butt hurt over it. Also, all vegetation on "my" property at the border of their property has not been trimmed or touched since they started this BS.Wall of weeds FTW. Part of me wants to just move, as the house was only ever supposed to be a starter house and really isn't what either my wife and I ultimately want, but another more troll-like part of me wants to stay, renovate everything to our liking (and to their dismay), and throw ragers until 2am every night for eternity.
This needs to happen in your case
MadScientistMatt wrote: Time to paint the house purple with green polka dots?
...and again--they'd know my EXACT feelings at that moment. No HOA, not a single leg to stand on. They've never had pushback, so they're on a weird suburban power trip.
I'm going to say something is fishy about their 'survey'. The marker doesn't mean squat on its own. When your house was built, you can be positive that the builder, bank etc made damn sure there wasn't an encroachment.
In the FWIW dept., I once had the opportunity to buy a lakefront lot with dock permit (real big deal on Lake Murray) for $18k. I was really interested until I discovered it had no road frontage, I would have had to negotiate with the neighbor between this lot and the road for either a piece of his property or an easement. The guy wouldn't even answer his door, I saw nothing good coming of that so I passed.
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