My neighbours who express their appreciation of me in ways I don't immediately recognise

Datsun1500 wrote:

SilverFleet wrote: About that property line... When we were looking at the house, the real estate attorney and the bank examined the land deed and said that theirs did extend over a little bit, like 3-6" past their fence. The thing is that the neighbors spent "around $3k" getting it surveyed without anyone knowing about 10 years ago when they built a garage on the other side of the house. The marker is right in the middle of the top of our driveway. Aside from hiring our own surveyor, we don't really have a leg to stand on, because the bank's assessment doesn't count here in MA. So now, we just park on our side. I now park on my lawn instead of the driveway because of this B.S. (my T/A and my wife's car stay in the driveway).

Just because they had someone survey it, does not mean it's correct. What does your plat say? If you don't have one, it's on file somewhere. It will have measurements on it, get a copy of theirs and yours and break out the tape measure.

the house i used to own was built in 1947.. it was built on a single acre of land that was carved out of the farmland at that time... it had been bought and sold about 10 times between then and 2004, when someone finally discovered that the property lines were actually 50 feet to the east of where everyone had always thought they were, which meant that 3/4 of my shop was technically on someone else's property. the old lady that owned the surrounding property was looking to develop it with pointlessly curvy roads and hundreds of identical houses and they had a real survey done.. i had to go in and fill out a form agreeing that, yes, i wanted to actually own the shop where i kept all my car stuff... it cost me nothing but a few bucks in gas and a half hour of my time to get it fixed, and i left the title place with the impression that they wanted to buy my lot so as to not have my little POS house and shop mixed in with their planned rows of McMansions.

I say place random piles of dog poo on his lawn and wait for him to find them.This works best if you don't own the dog. He'd never know it was you and it's somewhat stinky revenge.

Datsun1500 wrote: In reply to novaderrik: Just out of curiosity, what did the recorded plat say? Were the lines on the recorded records correct and the issue was everyone thought the line was 50 feet over? I'm asking for the OP because it does not matter what any survey says, just what's on the official file. If the official plat says it's his driveway, it's his driveway.

i'm trying to remember the details.. i'm pretty sure the official records were right, and the corners of the lot were marked out wrong and it had just been treated as being right for all those years.. in my case, they just changed the official records to reflect how the property had been used from 1947 to 2004.

In reply to Datsun1500:

Good point. Jetzon could have been looking at the plans upside down and the sprocket plant may be on your property.

Everyone told me I would hate living in the sticks but it has been good so far. I have no close neighbors but everyone on my road gets along. I have on pos down the street but they are living the thug life so there is a good chance they won't be around long.

One of the best displays of pissing off the neighbors I saw was when I was a kid. A friend's father had tires sent to the house in a nice upscale neighborhood. He had tires delivered and by the time he got home the old bag across the street complained about them. There was no HOA so there was no rule being broken. He picked up a mess of old tires, tied them in a garland and stung them between the trees in his yard with Christmas lights and bows.

In reply to Wally:

I prefer this one of your's.

Wally wrote: I don't know but it does. When I lived with my parents and had my tow truck some people got the town to pass an ordanence saying no commercial vehicles in residential driveways. It started as a despute between a plumber down the street and the old lady next door. Once it passed 7 of us on our street had to rent spaces for our trucks and vans. When they wrote the law instead of going by vehicle size they said anything with commercial plates. He bought the uglist cheapest Mack he could find and registered it as an RV. Her bedroom was next to his driveway and 2-3 times a week he'd take the Mack out to pick up beer in the middle of the night. It must have weak compressor because every time he started it he'd have to rev the piss out of it to build up air pressure.

iadr wrote: If they are fussy about their lawn, mix up double or triple strength lawn fertilizer in a watering can, and in the wee hours of the morning, "draw" rings all over their lawn... grass turns dark green and later dies... and if they are fussy, they strip the sod, go without lawn for a few months and pay to have new sod put in. Repeat.

make sure 2 of the rings are right next to each other, then draw a big cucumber coming out from the center of them.

patgizz wrote:

iadr wrote: If they are fussy about their lawn, mix up double or triple strength lawn fertilizer in a watering can, and in the wee hours of the morning, "draw" rings all over their lawn... grass turns dark green and later dies... and if they are fussy, they strip the sod, go without lawn for a few months and pay to have new sod put in. Repeat.

make sure 2 of the rings are right next to each other, then draw a big cucumber coming out from the center of them.

Roundup water balloons. No trespassing needed. A good arm can get them in the back yard.

Scott_H wrote:

patgizz wrote:

iadr wrote: If they are fussy about their lawn, mix up double or triple strength lawn fertilizer in a watering can, and in the wee hours of the morning, "draw" rings all over their lawn... grass turns dark green and later dies... and if they are fussy, they strip the sod, go without lawn for a few months and pay to have new sod put in. Repeat.

make sure 2 of the rings are right next to each other, then draw a big cucumber coming out from the center of them.

Roundup water balloons. No trespassing needed. A good arm can get them in the back yard.

Round Up is expensive... i like the idea of drawing dicks in the yard with fertilizer... maybe don't go too overboard and kill the grass, but rather make it so that some of the grass just grows into a lush cock n balls pointed directly at their bedroom window that is only seen from above... in a couple of years it would show up on google earth..

... in a couple of years it would show up on google earth..

FTMFW

bwaaahaahaa

Do a small ferto-dick in yours. Then feign ignorance. "Oh...looks like they got me, too."

One more comment on surveys. Surveyors are only as good as the records they research and they, as well as whoever drafted the deed, can make mistakes. Additionally, most people don't know how to read them. That marker in your driveway may be a reference point and not the property line. I'd be curious to know if there is another marker in-line with the driveway one on your property. I'd be curious to know where the next "point" is, in other words. Not being able to use your driveway because of property line overlap is decreasing the value of your property. I'm sure the bank would be concerned that it doesn't have all of your real estate as collateral for your loan. 3-6" sound like the proper setback for a fence and in fact, here you are required to offset your fence about 6" from the property line to avoid potential overlap issues. 3-6" fence setback is not the same as a 6'+ incursion onto your driveway/property.

Scott_H wrote: Roundup water balloons. No trespassing needed. A good arm can get them in the back yard.

You need one of these (slingshot, not underage asian chicks). Google "three man water balloon slingshot". You can launch the things the length of a football field.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

Scott_H wrote: Roundup water balloons. No trespassing needed. A good arm can get them in the back yard.

You need one of these (slingshot, not underage asian chicks). Google "three man water balloon slingshot". You can launch the things the length of a football field.

I don't think any of em is underage. Asian women look the same age til they're about 174.

^^^ They are in at least mid to late twenties. The right hand one could be in her thirties.

I can say living rural doesn't always negate shiny happy person neighbors.

I'm out in the sticks on a dead end road, 2nd house in. House #1 is the biggest pain. He has tried to pull a bull E36 M3 land grab on us. He owns 22 acres, yet parks his big rig and trailer on the narrow road. The dogs are always on the loose, either in the road or on my property harassing my animals. Overall the guy is a redneck D-bag.

Houses 3 and 4 are slightly better in that they are weekenders from NYC and we don't deal with them much other than they are loud when they are up here.

iadr wrote: If they are fussy about their lawn, mix up double or triple strength lawn fertilizer in a watering can, and in the wee hours of the morning, "draw" rings all over their lawn... grass turns dark green and later dies... and if they are fussy, they strip the sod, go without lawn for a few months and pay to have new sod put in. Repeat.

The extra evil version would to be to only draw one set of marks... right over their septic tank. Or a straight line following their sewer pipe, depending on what their setup is there.

In reply to MadScientistMatt:

slow wrote: ^^^ The right hand one could be in her thirties.

That is the one I'd pick to come in the box with the slingshot too so win/win.

chrispy wrote: One more comment on surveys. Surveyors are only as good as the records they research and they, as well as whoever drafted the deed, can make mistakes. Additionally, most people don't know how to read them. That marker in your driveway may be a reference point and not the property line. I'd be curious to know if there is another marker in-line with the driveway one on your property. I'd be curious to know where the next "point" is, in other words. Not being able to use your driveway because of property line overlap is decreasing the value of your property. I'm sure the bank would be concerned that it doesn't have all of your real estate as collateral for your loan. 3-6" sound like the proper setback for a fence and in fact, here you are required to offset your fence about 6" from the property line to avoid potential overlap issues. 3-6" fence setback is not the same as a 6'+ incursion onto your driveway/property.

Not sure if I mentioned this before, but their property way back in the 1940's used to be part of our property. At some point, someone carved off their chunk and sold it as a buildable lot. They bought it almost 30 years ago with the house already there. Our town's building codes were pretty much non-existent until the mid 1990's, and all the official records of the plots are convoluted and inaccurate. To settle the matter, we would have to hire a surveyor at the tune of around $3k. And even after that, it's extremely likely that I am not going to gain any ground. For now, I'm going to just park less cars in the driveway and more cars in the yard.

Another solution is to have less cars. Between the two of us, we have 5 cars: 2 Mazda 3's, My CSX, my Trans Am, and our Dakota. Ideally, I'd like her to trade her car AND the truck in on a newer 4-door truck because she works close to home. I can't afford to drive a truck because I work 35 miles from home and drive 26k miles a year. It would kill me on gas. Although downsizing is not a terrible idea, I feel that I shouldn't have to get rid of my cars because of the neighbors being fartsniffing jerks.

It's all going to come down to what I can do with the house. We have wetlands behind us (essentially woods that get some small puddles sometimes) and because of the conservation laws, we may be limited to what we can do with the land. we have always talked about building a larger shop behind the house, as there's already a sizeable shed back there, but we have to go before the town to get approval. Our other neighbor (and everyone else on the street) has a large 2+ car garage/shop, and that neighbor's shop is even closer to the wetlands. He may have also grandfathered in, but it looks like a newer shop. If we can't do what we want to do with the place, we will move on and let the next people deal with the neighbors.

BTW, they were having a yard sale yesterday. Hopefully that means they are moving.

I live in a reasonably fancy neighborhood with a mild HOA. Glad to say I must have very reasonable and pleasant neighbors.

I have a feeling though that I replaced one of those yard nazi homeowners when I purchased our home. This past summer our next store neighbor came over as I was out in the backyard, as he had striped a small practice field in his backyard for his sons to play football. He pre-emptively apologized that he wasn't able to ask me if it was okay because I was out of town the past weekend and then asked me if I minded.... I found the whole thing so odd, I probably came off as slightly rude. In my head I was trying to think up a reason that I would care? You're being a good dad, playing with your kids, and putting a temporary stripe on a nicely cut lawn, on your own property. Why would I care?

To the OP, sorry you have to deal with this nonsense.

In reply to SilverFleet:

I have to think it would be worth checking if the marker in your driveway is just a reference or not. You should be able to tell by looking at the survey. I think it's likely that the corner of the property line is defined as being (x)' along a chord from that reference marker towards another reference marker, not by the marker itself. Is the marker in the middle near the end of the driveway? Don't you need to make the trip to get the plots and such for the backyard, anyways?

Just tell them to berkeley off and carry a handgun in the waistband of your pants whenever you're in your yard.

In reply to jimbob_racing:

Get it in ink... not as uncomfortable to wear when gardening.

do you have to wear skull and crossbones wrist bands though?

xflowgolf wrote: do you have to wear skull and crossbones wrist bands though?

No, you can wear the ones with studs or spikes if you prefer.