Get your wife some pepper spray for the inevitable next time.
We own a reactive dog. It's not fun. He's never off leash, because we are responsible pet owners. But these morons who walk their dogs off-leash (where signs clearly say you can't) get no pity from me if they run up to mine. "My dog is friendly!" Yeah, but mine isn't. And he's a breed extremely protective of his owners.
It's not the dogs. It's the people who own them.
preach said:I freaking love dogs, but carry a chunk of spark plug and numb the dog with it. It will remember.
I need someone to explain this comment for me.
Dropped our dog off at the vet today to get checked over. Our concern is minimal. We found one red spot, but it looks more like a paw scratch than a bite puncture.
This dog has gotten out before and attacked a shih-tzu causing much more damage back in 2020. I've got a photo of that, and I've asked that neighbor to get me vet records of the incident.
Once I've got all that information, I'll file a Dog Bite Report with animal control.
Apparently the lady we talked to was a guest, not the owner of the dog. The actual owner messaged me to let me know this. I asked her to send me proof of current rabies vaccination, and let her know very clearly that we and other neighbors are concerned about her dog's aggressive behavior.
Depending on how she responds, I may strongly suggest to the owner that she get a muzzle for her dog and be sure it wears it when outside, and that she install pet control gates in entryways to their house so that the dog is unable to bolt out any doors.
ddavidv said:Get your wife some pepper spray for the inevitable next time.
We own a reactive dog. It's not fun. He's never off leash, because we are responsible pet owners. But these morons who walk their dogs off-leash (where signs clearly say you can't) get no pity from me if they run up to mine. "My dog is friendly!" Yeah, but mine isn't. And he's a breed extremely protective of his owners.
It's not the dogs. It's the people who own them.
100% it's why I dislike the bad rap that Bully breeds get. It's E36 M3 owners, not the dogs. I've been around them my entire life, incredibly sweet dogs. We have an 85lb mix........will she bark at you for a few seconds when you come in the house? Yes. Once she realizes, "Oh, you're one of our people" she will try to kill you with licks and kisses.
We don't take her our for walks much anymore, she has destroyed her back legs and doesn't get around as well anymore.
Yeah, my dog stays on leash all the time when she's outside our backyard, because while she's never the aggressor, it takes so little to set her off: "Nip at me and I'll take a pound of flesh".
Many bad owners are not superficially at least, "bad" or stupid people. They just have huge blind spots. I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise in this day and age: "little Timmy's disruptive at school? It must be the school's fault."
My dog bit another dog. It's a long story, but he was on a leash, the other dog was on a leash, and it was a huge surprise to both of us. We apologized profusely, offered to rush the other dog to the vet, and followed up several times to pay for any vet expenses. (It was actually minor, just a bloody nose mixed with drool made it look worse than it was). We spent a lot of $$$ on training for our dog to remove dog aggression, which did not work. So we changed our routines to minimize the possibility of another interaction and he wears a muzzle when there might be another dog around, like the pet store. And while I love my dog a lot, if he bit a child, he would be in doggy heaven now. Maybe I am extreme, but to me, dangerous dogs are not acceptable.
In reply to pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) :
I think that is 100% an acceptable response. If one of our dogs, bit ME let alone someone else, they would also be seeing black.
But like I mentioned earlier, our big dog. She wants to kill you with licks and kisses............while thinking all 85 lbs of her is a lap dog.
Further update:
Actual owner came by our house and apologized. Agreed to pay for any expenses and everything.
I let her know that I understand and that things can happen, but she has a large (96 lbs!) dog that is very dog reactive, and that does present a risk. That I am still concerned the dog could do something worse.
I still plan to report this to the authorities so that there is a record if this happens again.
Reporting is a good idea, some states have some very tough leash laws too.
Idaho, like a few other laws, is very draconian with its leash laws for example.
Antihero said:Reporting is a good idea, some states have some very tough leash laws too.
Idaho, like a few other laws, is very draconian with its leash laws for example.
I kinda get it though. While it's SUPER rare to be killed by a dog here in the states, it's a stupid and mostly preventable way to go (85% are stranger attacks). Heck, even a simple but common dog bite can have long term repercussions. I got out lucky but $500 poorer from a nip, but a lady I know had surgery after surgery for a thigh chomp. She's only in her 30s and was a healthy runner-type but will have a lifelong limp because some jerks didn't care about confining their large aggressive dog. And 4.5m dog bites per year ain't nuthin to sneeze at.
In reply to P3PPY :
It isn't as rare as you think. We have had several people between Greenville and Spartanburg die after getting mauled by dogs. And they are Pitties more often than not. The owners are usually scumbags.
After years of a dog reactive mixed breed dog, I'm grateful to now own a submissive push-over dog. I had regular anxiety dreams when we owned the reactive dog. I miss him but not the stress he brought to the family.
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spitfirebill said:In reply to P3PPY :
It isn't as rare as you think. We have had several people between Greenville and Spartanburg die after getting mauled by dogs. And they are Pitties more often than not. The owners are usually scumbags.
You are making stuff up. I can only find one story from 5 years ago about someone being bit by a bully breed in the areas you mentioned.
Share the news stories of multiple people being mauled to death by bully breeds in and around the towns you mentioned.
z31maniac said:spitfirebill said:In reply to P3PPY :
It isn't as rare as you think. We have had several people between Greenville and Spartanburg die after getting mauled by dogs. And they are Pitties more often than not. The owners are usually scumbags.
You are making stuff up. I can only find one story from 5 years ago about someone being bit by a bully breed in the areas you mentioned.
Share the news stories of multiple people being mauled to death by bully breeds in and around the towns you mentioned.
"Not all pit bulls!"
But when a kid dies or someone's face is ripped off, it's almost always a pit bull. Sorry, but it's an man-made breed that was specifically designed over hundreds of years for the express purpose of killing. The statistics don't lie.
First it was the Doberman. Then the German shepherd. Now the pit bull and somewhere in there the Rottweiler. That have all been deemed dangerous. But when in fact there is only one common denominator between all four and it is MAN. Humans are the problem. These are all working dogs that need to be handled by people with proper training and a level of intellect that is not possessed by all humans. The short of it is MAN is the problem here not the dogs. If you own one of these breeds and something happens there should be an extremely high price to pay. There are other lesser known breeds that are equally as dangerous as these that don't get the publicity.
People just don't have the balls to call a spade a spade and deal with the problem. Instead blame the dogs or a breed.
7 years ago or so I had a run in with a pit-bull that attacked my dog. The owner was present as were some other people and all did nothing. It was stopped abruptly by a steel toed boot to the head. My only wish was that it had been the owners head not the poor dogs. I told the owner as much. Don't know if the dog made it. The dog was taken away by the owner. I called the police and reported it. They came by and took a statement from me and two others that saw what happened. They knocked on the door of the owners house but from what I heard later they either did not answer or declined to answer questions. I never heard any more about it.
Never saw the owner or the dog again. They moved a couple months later.
I did not like what I had to do. It still bugs me a bit. My dog was ok. She was bit but no broken skin. I think the chain collar and the thick braided collar I had on her kept the pits mouth from closing. I will never forget the scared look Abby gave me as the Pit ran towards us. It was a help me look I will never forget.
This is Abby now as I type this. She is an old lady now sleeping in her bed about 5 feet from me. She is snoring.
In reply to P3PPY :
I have scars on both wrist from stepping between my 14 month old Anatolian and a neighbour with their dog . The dog had only ever shown excitement before that, never straight out aggression. But with a large dog, after this...we tried training but the trainer convinced us that our dog would never be "safe". It was terrible taking the dog to be put down.
I have many regrets in my life , years later I became a father, putting that dog down is not one of them.
The trainer contacted us a year or two later , someone had surrendered a Saint Bernard mix. She was a great dog until this past summer when she had to be put down at age 12.
I've been around many many dogs in my life and been bitten twice, once by a Blue Heeler, and once by a Golden Retriever.
Dogs are fairly adaptable so you can't look at the breed only either really. They do have traits though that you should be aware of. The biggest problem is when their owner thinks they are " badass!" In my experience. These dogs are usually failed by their owners sadly.
Pitbull also covers a wide range of breeds of what people think is a pitbull. Pretty much any smooth coated medium to large dog is considered a pitbull.
Remember, a Standard Poodle is actually a war dog, and no one is very afraid of them
In reply to dean1484 :
It's not that they are bad dogs, it's that the amount of damage that they can do is tremendously more than the average dog, so a simple dog bite turns into a much more serious situation. And unfortunately it also attracts the subset of owners that want a tough dog but lack the intent to properly train them.
I recently came across a pit bull attack in progress. I was at a popular park filled with people when I heard someone screaming bloody murder. I came around the corner and saw a large group of gathered around another group of people in a cluster and rolling around on the ground. They are all yelling, but someone on the ground was screaming in pain well above the sound of the crowd. At first I thought is was a fight, and some of the group looked like homeless people that frequent the park, so not uncommon. But then I saw that the crowd was actually working together, and that they were trying to get a pit bull off of someone. They were kicking, punchin and pulling on the dog that appeared to be latched on to the man on the ground. That was working about as well as expected. As I got closer, I could just see that not only was the dog clamped onto some part of the screaming man's body (hard to see with all of the flailing punches and kicks going on) but it also had the head of a small dog just peaking out of the corner of it's mouth. I'm guessing the dog attacked the small dog and the owner tried to save it. The group was all at the head of the dog. I rushed up and kicked a couple 50 yard field goals between between it's hind legs, which instantly took the fight out of him. He let go and just stood there like nothing happened. I got out of there, not wanting to hang out in a group of sketchy people as the attention turned to who's dog killed who's dog, so I didn't see the aftermath.
In reply to Boost_Crazy :
If we are talking bite force , actually they are fairly middling with other dogs.
Anatolian/ Kangals have the highest bite force of dogs.
In reply to Antihero :
When you are getting mauled by a dog that has the ability to do serious damage, where it lands on the bite force scale is probably not that important. If I had yelled out to the guy getting bit, "you know, you are lucky that's not an Anatolian," I don't think that he would have appreciated the distinction.
Antihero said:Remember, a Standard Poodle is actually a war dog, and no one is very afraid of them
Poodles are Dobermans with perms.
wawazat said:After years of a dog reactive mixed breed dog, I'm grateful to now own a submissive push-over dog. I had regular anxiety dreams when we owned the reactive dog. I miss him but not the stress he brought to the family.
I tend to look at dogs as partners than a thing I own. I have dogs because I live in the woods with large predators and want them to bark at them and help protect my wife and I when we walk around the woods.Because of this I usually go for big protective breeds.
My first 2 dogs were Anatolian mixes before they got popular, at one time there were 3ish AKC breeds in America and one was 1 hour away. Both were very dominant dogs, Buster, was my first dog and my childhood dog. He was dominant but not necessarily reactive, he would play with other dogs just fine. He never showed outward aggression at all but was just....solid. He ran a bear off me when I was 10 too. Once I was filling a neighbor's lifted Ford truck up with a gas can and he had his Great Dane in the car. Well, the Great Dane didn't like me near the car and barked at me a little, which for a big dog is fairly alarming. Buster stood himself up at 12 years old with bad hips, put his paws on the truck, and put his nose on the other dogs and just stared at him. The dog withdrew and put itself on the other side of the truck. Very amazing to see.
My second dog was named Jack and basically everything Buster was, he was turbo charged to be more. Very dominant, but not in a mean way. Like, if I was around another dog and it was being an aggressive E36 M3head, if Jack walked out the door the dog just stopped, sat down and kinda made themselves small. It was astonishing to see, and sounds ridiculous unless you saw it. He never got in fights, the only time he did was when an aggressive Husky/malemute decided to nip at me and even then he moved the dog away from me with as limited violence as he could by standing the dog up by it's throat and dragging it away. I have so many stories about this dog and I was very lucky to have him.
So I was very used to dominant, big dogs. It took about a year but after Jack was gone we got another dog and he's the polar opposite. His name is Cosmo ( code name.....The Yeti)he's Maremma and Standard Poodle. He's massive, floofy and was beaten a lot before we got him so he's got some anxiety. But he's not dominant at all, when we got the latest puppy Kuiper ( code name..... War Potato) there was never any dominant things towards him, he was just happy to have a friend. They run around the yard at full speed, which is alarming at times because Cosmo is 31 inches at the shoulder and 110lbs and Kuiper is slightly shorter but 150lb ( he's mostly Mastiff, and German Shepherd).
It's kinda nice having a dog that other dogs see and he just kinda....is excited. He's still protective but it's a far cry from other dogs being submissive.
Boost_Crazy said:In reply to Antihero :
When you are getting mauled by a dog that has the ability to do serious damage, where it lands on the bite force scale is probably not that important. If I had yelled out to the guy getting bit, "you know, you are lucky that's not an Anatolian," I don't think that he would have appreciated the distinction.
My point is pretty much all dogs have sharp teeth and can do serious damage if they want to. Don't glorify/demonize/sensationalize pit bulls as being the only ones to do serious damage.
Dogs are carnivores with sharp teeth and millennia of practice using them with only the love and respect of their family/pack standing between them from using it.
That is why punishment rarely works well in dog training.
Beer Baron 🍺 said:Antihero said:Remember, a Standard Poodle is actually a war dog, and no one is very afraid of them
Poodles are Dobermans with perms.
Sort of accurate really. Ridiculously smart too
Defend them all you want, but make sure your insurance is up to date, and more importantly, covers the dog. Many companies will not.
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