nderwater wrote:
So at lunch in the food court I kept an eye out and noticed five young women wearing black tights as pants. Three had long sweaters or shirt tails that covered their bums, two had shirts that stopped at their waists. Of those two, one girl was super conscientious about holding her purse in front of her crotch as she walked around, the other was giving glowering looks to people she caught looking down at her butt.
*If you don't want the attention, wear something that covers your bits.*
It's true about what that say. Peer pressure is a bitch.
Duke
UltimaDork
12/3/14 1:34 p.m.
nderwater wrote:
*If you don't want the attention, wear something that covers your bits.*
Well, and that's the problem in a nutshell. I don't ever think a woman is "asking for it" (even when they might actually be), and I would never condone catcalling or harassment of any kind.
But you pretty much forfeit your right to get upset at people checking you out once you dress to make a spectacle of yourself. And that goes for hipsters, goth kidz, anybody, not just women.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
I think this thread has got a bit off subject. We are talking about yoga pants. Not jeans. See how inappropriate these are? I suggest we photograph all offenders and post them here to publicly shame them for this transgression. Gifs would also be fine.
OK, that could be taking it too far, but I might need to inspect in person to be sure. Definitely something to be worn by SED (Someone else’s daughter)
It reminds me of the beginning of summer this year, I recall posting it on here. I was walking down the street and a you attractive woman was walking towards me in completely see through white pants. Hid nothing at all. Even I was embarrassed and had to fight to keep my head level and desperately try not to look. Joking aside though, that doesn’t look sexy to me at all, it looks trampy.
mtn
UltimaDork
12/3/14 1:50 p.m.
Duke wrote:
nderwater wrote:
*If you don't want the attention, wear something that covers your bits.*
Well, and that's the problem in a nutshell. I don't ever think a woman is "asking for it" (even when they might actually be), and I would never condone catcalling or harassment of any kind.
But you pretty much forfeit your right to get upset at people checking you out once you dress to make a spectacle of yourself. And that goes for hipsters, goth kidz, anybody, not just women.
No, a woman is never asking for it, even if she is. But that fact doesn't matter after she's been assulted. I will be teaching my daugthers, if I have any, to dress appropriately, because "She was asking for it" isn't a reason or an excuse, but it sure does encourage a lot of idiots. Wrong that it happens? Of course. Do I believe it can be erradicated? Unfortunately, no. But there is a simple answer on the individual female level: Don't dress in a way that could be considered "asking for it". SOME leggings would fit that description. And obviously, that is not an all encompassing solution either.
Oh, and I believe it is easily possible to be sexy without provocative.
mtn wrote:
No, a woman is never asking for it, even if she is. But that fact doesn't matter after she's been assulted. I will be teaching my daugthers, if I have any, to dress appropriately, because "She was asking for it" isn't a reason or an excuse, but it sure does encourage a lot of idiots. Wrong that it happens? Of course. Do I believe it can be erradicated? Unfortunately, no. But there is a simple answer on the individual female level: Don't dress in a way that could be considered "asking for it". SOME leggings would fit that description. And obviously, that is not an all encompassing solution either.
Oh, and I believe it is easily possible to be sexy without provocative.
A woman is never ever asking for it. There is no 'even if she is' part, that doesn't exist. People can dress how they like, even if I think it's inappropriate it still doesn't give anyone the right to do anything ever. As the father of two girls the victim blaming thing really pisses me off. Yes I'm a heterosexual guy who is just as guilty as the next man of looking, but looking isn’t' leering, touching, catcalling or worse.
Duke
UltimaDork
12/3/14 2:07 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote:
mtn wrote:
No, a woman is never asking for it, even if she is. But that fact doesn't matter after she's been assulted. I will be teaching my daugthers, if I have any, to dress appropriately, because "She was asking for it" isn't a reason or an excuse, but it sure does encourage a lot of idiots. Wrong that it happens? Of course. Do I believe it can be erradicated? Unfortunately, no. But there is a simple answer on the individual female level: Don't dress in a way that could be considered "asking for it". SOME leggings would fit that description. And obviously, that is not an all encompassing solution either.
Oh, and I believe it is easily possible to be sexy without provocative.
A woman is never ever asking for it. There is no 'even if she is' part, that doesn't exist. People can dress how they like, even if I think it's inappropriate it still doesn't give anyone the right to do anything ever. As the father of two girls the victim blaming thing really pisses me off. Yes I'm a heterosexual guy who is just as guilty as the next man of looking, but looking isn’t' leering, touching, catcalling or worse.
I do hope you all know this is exactly what I was saying.
mtn
UltimaDork
12/3/14 2:11 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote:
mtn wrote:
No, a woman is never asking for it, even if she is. But that fact doesn't matter after she's been assulted. I will be teaching my daugthers, if I have any, to dress appropriately, because "She was asking for it" isn't a reason or an excuse, but it sure does encourage a lot of idiots. Wrong that it happens? Of course. Do I believe it can be erradicated? Unfortunately, no. But there is a simple answer on the individual female level: Don't dress in a way that could be considered "asking for it". SOME leggings would fit that description. And obviously, that is not an all encompassing solution either.
Oh, and I believe it is easily possible to be sexy without provocative.
A woman is never ever asking for it. There is no 'even if she is' part, that doesn't exist. People can dress how they like, even if I think it's inappropriate it still doesn't give anyone the right to do anything ever. As the father of two girls the victim blaming thing really pisses me off. Yes I'm a heterosexual guy who is just as guilty as the next man of looking, but looking isn’t' leering, touching, catcalling or worse.
I agree 100% (The "even if she is" part was from women who I know who have said that they dress like that when they want to hook up. We're nitpicking here, trust me that we are on the same page--see my 2 posts from THIS thread, about halfway down).
It only takes one shiny happy person to use it as a reason, and that can utterly destroy a woman (or a man). I am not victim blaming, but I also recognize that I cannot change the way every person thinks and acts.
In reply to mtn:
In reply to Duke:
Sorry both of you, semantics and wording sometimes don't come over well on line. Didn't mean to imply either of you were bad guys. Glad we all agree.
My kid feels the peer pressure, she wears skinny jeans and she has worn leggings as pants. Without me telling her to, she does it with a long sweater etc. so I have not given her a hard time about it. I have learned to pick my battles.
Ian F
MegaDork
12/3/14 2:49 p.m.
pinchvalve wrote:
My daughter is 15 so I am of course hoping for the comeback of this look:
Well, with the popularity of Downton Abbey, there may be hope for you.
jeggings anyone...... jeans and leggings in one....
cwh
PowerDork
12/3/14 3:06 p.m.
That is one very unhappy looking girl. Pants too tight?
My girlfriend does where leggings as pants because its more comfortable apparently. I dont mind and she almost always is wearing an enormous sweater with them. But as a young guy I cant complain when she wears them around the house.
All I will say is sometimes the ones who are wearing them are the ones who shouldn't be wearing them ala the picture from people of walmart.
92dxman wrote:
All I will say is sometimes the ones who are wearing them are the ones who shouldn't be wearing them ala the picture from people of walmart.
(shiver) I have seen four of those this afternoon alone. Makes me wonder whether some people have mirrors.
berkelying hypocrites.... most of you would take whatever you can berkelying get... and you have the shineola to even speak......
most of you are worthless.... from the waistdown.... and yes that is because all your girlfriends, or FWB buddies told me
peabody
New Reader
12/3/14 7:46 p.m.
1) She's somebodies daughter
2) Sometimes women are so insecure about their bodies that they feel like they have to dress that way to compete. Women are held to almost unattainable standards of what beauty is.
3) She's somebodies daughter
4) There is a glance, a look, a stare, and a leer. Sometimes you just have to look at shoes.
5) She's somebodies daughter
I sometimes work on a college campus of approx 16,000 students, leggings and boots seem to be extremely fashionable right now.
As an aside, I have a co-worker who had been working at this campus and mentioned this to his wife. Specifically leggings and cowboy boots. He arrives home a couple of days later and is greeted in his den by his wife wearing a cowboy hat, cowboy boots and nothing else! Thinking I might plant a seed, I mention this to my own wife, her response? Maybe mud boots and a beret? It's not the same.
Now back to topic. 6) She's somebodies daughter.
So am I allowed to look or not? I'm confused.
Have you seen those dress sweatpants? That person deserves a medal.
http://www.betabrand.com/mens/pants.html
No grown man should be seen in public in sweatpants.
Wally wrote:
No grown man should be seen in public in sweatpants.
I know some stagehands who work in black sweatpants. I could not just feel safe working in something that loose and easily ripped
wbjones
UltimaDork
12/3/14 9:22 p.m.
wbjones
UltimaDork
12/3/14 9:29 p.m.
logdog wrote:
So am I allowed to look or not? I'm confused.
I don't care whether I'm "allowed" or not … if it's worth looking at … I'll look … for as long as it takes for me to satisfy my "need to look" …