Anybody else notice that penny candy now costs a quarter? Whats up wit dat?
Anybody else notice that penny candy now costs a quarter? Whats up wit dat?
logdog wrote: Anybody else notice that penny candy now costs a quarter?
I have my mom and dad's tax statements from the 1950's - in 1956 my dad made $3,978. What was he thinking - he should have asked for a raise?
patgizz wrote: this is gm's giant F U to ford - we don't need no steenkin turbos...
Chevrolet 4.3:
"This new V6 engine produces 285 hp, 305 lb-ft of torque and a towing rating of 7,200 pounds"
Ford Ecoboost V6:
365 hp and 420 ft lbs. Tow rating of at least 14k and up to 16.9k.
So...That's an unfair comparison because one is NA while the other has turbos.
Ford 3.7 V6:
302 hp and 278 ft bls of torque. Tow rating from 10.4k to 11.7k.
Giant F U? GM should've bolted on some turbos maybe?
In reply to Xceler8x:
Most likely....
I imagine seeing the torque curves of the two NA motors will show a bit of a difference. 300hp in a truck is fine, but only 278 tq and it if't higher up in the rev range it's not worth as much as 305 down lower where you need it.
Just a guess, but I imagine the new DI V6 will feel a lot more torquey than the Fords 3.7
In reply to Bobzilla:
The 3.7 actually feels decently torquey.....and the 3.5TT feels more so than the previous GM v8's. Hell, the ecoboost feels like a diesel 
Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!
It's the Ford way!
Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!
So.... just like the Ford V10, then?
Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!
Ignorance? It gets quite a bit better than the 6.8L v10 could.
yamaha wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!Ignorance? It gets quite a bit better than the 6.8L v10 could.
Unloaded, absolutely. Everyone I've talked to that uses one for work, it's a 10-12mpg fuel chugger. Sure, it makes plenty of power to do whatever, but if I'm going to get 10mpg I'll take the V8 without turbos.
Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!
Local guy is getting 26mpg with his F-150, still over 20mpg towing.
Last Powerstroke I drove, I couldn't get the economy meter to go much over 12mpg.
So, maybe.
Bobzilla wrote:yamaha wrote:Unloaded, absolutely. Everyone I've talked to that uses one for work, it's a 10-12mpg fuel chugger. Sure, it makes plenty of power to do whatever, but if I'm going to get 10mpg I'll take the V8 without turbos.Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!Ignorance? It gets quite a bit better than the 6.8L v10 could.
I would guess that 90% or more of truck use isn't actual truck use.
Bobzilla wrote: Unloaded, absolutely. Everyone I've talked to that uses one for work, it's a 10-12mpg fuel chugger. Sure, it makes plenty of power to do whatever, but if I'm going to get 10mpg I'll take the V8 without turbos.
If you're really working the engine, you need to use premium fuel, otherwise it will pull timing and pour fuel into the engine.
It's awesome, but it's not magic and it's still a turbo engine.
Knurled wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!Local guy is getting 26mpg with his F-150, still over 20mpg towing. Last Powerstroke I drove, I couldn't get the economy meter to go much over 12mpg. So, maybe.
What he said, my BIL towed a jeep around on an open trailer with his and still pulled down around 20. Also, of course that number goes WAY DOWN with everything if you're actually pulling a lot of weight or something with E36 M3loads of wind resistance.
Knurled wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!Local guy is getting 26mpg with his F-150, still over 20mpg towing. Last Powerstroke I drove, I couldn't get the economy meter to go much over 12mpg. So, maybe.
And I'm getting 24 unloaded and 15-17 towing. More importantly I didn't have to spend $40k to do so nor do I need premium fuel.
Knurled wrote: Local guy is getting 26mpg with his F-150, still over 20mpg towing.
No, he isn't.
Knurled wrote:Bobzilla wrote: Too bad the ecoboost doesn't sip fuel like a diesel. V8 power with V10 efficiency!Local guy is getting 26mpg with his F-150, still over 20mpg towing. Last Powerstroke I drove, I couldn't get the economy meter to go much over 12mpg. So, maybe.
That is Apples to Oranges F150 to F250, I had a F250 7.3 Powerstroke Turbo, that got between 25MPG/20MPG, towing really didn't effect the MPG, my friend had the F250 V10 and we couldn't get more then 9MPG out of the thing. I know the modern trucks are different because of the Fuel injection, but I just can't consider a truck with the prices they are at now. I wish I could import a diesel 4 door ranger.
I won't lie.... I'd be perfectly happy with that new 4.3V6 and 6spd auto in my current truck.
In reply to Bobzilla:
Then quit complaining about everything else.......
In reply to the canadian:
Are you 100% positive aboot that? IDK if something is lost in conversions over to the metric system or if you just have garbage fuel there year round......but you might need to actually have first hand experience before you raise the BS flag. Until then, you will be referenced without a name. (Many apologies to all other canadians who don't want lumped in with the martian) 
trigun7469 wrote: I just can't consider a truck with the prices they are at now. I wish I could import a diesel 4 door ranger.
A base truck like that starts at 24k pounds. Once I figured out "pounds" are British "dollars" and did the conversion, it looks like it takes around 39000 'merican bucks to bring home the stripper model.*
*research done quickly on my phone. YMMV
Xceler8x wrote:patgizz wrote: this is gm's giant F U to ford - we don't need no steenkin turbos...Chevrolet 4.3: "This new V6 engine produces 285 hp, 305 lb-ft of torque and a towing rating of 7,200 pounds" Ford Ecoboost V6: 365 hp and 420 ft lbs. Tow rating of at least 14k and up to 16.9k. So...That's an unfair comparison because one is NA while the other has turbos. Ford 3.7 V6: 302 hp and 278 ft bls of torque. Tow rating from 10.4k to 11.7k. Giant F U? GM should've bolted on some turbos maybe?
GM knows that anyone that is going to be doing any real towing won't be getting a V6- and Ford markets the ecoboost as the competitor to the 5.3, anyways.. and i'm sure the premium for stepping up from a V6 to a V8 is less than the premium for stepping up from a regular V6 to a turbo V6 in a Ford...
I just poked around on the cheapest dealerships in our area, and the prices are pretty high. Back in '08, I looked at a Chevy 1/2 ton crew cab 4X4 WT new for $25K at this dealer. Now, the equivalent truck (albeit in a higher trim package because they no longer offer the lower trim in the crew cabs), is something like $34k (sticker is $42k).
I bought my '06 4X4 Ram Quad Cab 1500 for $10,700 a few years back. It had 135k on it at the time, and the only options were the Hemi and ABS (yes, it was an option). It has the rubber mat for the flooring, but does have a radio (with CD player!) and A/C. Compared to a new truck, it seems like a great deal. Planning on keeping it for a while, it's been very useful to have around...
As someone else said, based on the sales reports, people are willing to pay for these things. I think they always go at a significant discount over sticker, but that doesn't make them inexpensive!
In reply to novaderrik:
The ford v8 is also a decent chunk cheaper than the ecoboost
yamaha wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: Then quit complaining about everything else....... In reply to the canadian: Are you 100% positive aboot that? IDK if something is lost in conversions over to the metric system or if you just have garbage fuel there year round......but you might need to actually have first hand experience before you raise the BS flag. Until then, you will be referenced without a name. (Many apologies to all other canadians who don't want lumped in with the martian)
Yes, I have experience with most modern (and some older) pickups towing. And physics is a bitch, there is only so little fuel in a gas truck you can use to move xxxx pounds. Ecoboost trucks dont even average 20usmpg unloaded on fuelly.com, but your guy ia getting 20 towing on the highway? Yaokthen. Maybe in a 2wd stripper truck at 60mph.
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