NFL coaches, take note!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw&feature=player_embedded

That was awesome.

Similar with more explaination...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YnnnnyMjCw&feature=player_embedded

wow that second one was completely douchey - wrong ball? ahem, lying?? legal, but unsportsmanlike.

nutherjrfan wrote: wow that second one was completely douchey - wrong ball? ahem, lying?? legal, but unsportsmanlike.

so... then is a play action pass, flea-flicker, statue of liberty play also unsportsmanlike? perhaps we should outlaw the head fake in basketball too

calling out a lie to the sideline is a lie. it's not a headfake, flea-flicker, play action, it's a lie. double

Play until you hear the whistle is what I've always been taught.

nutherjrfan wrote: calling out a lie to the sideline is a lie. it's not a headfake, flea-flicker, play action, it's a lie. double

i don't see how it's any different than calling an audible, doesn't matter what's said or where the qb is looking when he says it. what if the o lineman points out his block and then doesn't block that guy, is that wrong too?

Strizzo wrote:

nutherjrfan wrote: wow that second one was completely douchey - wrong ball? ahem, lying?? legal, but unsportsmanlike.

so... then is a play action pass, flea-flicker, statue of liberty play also unsportsmanlike? perhaps we should outlaw the head fake in basketball too

A play action pass suggests one football move and then delivers another.

Every time someone runs a "wrong ball" play Vince Lomabrdi's corpse rots a little more. Especially in peewee play. You know what? I may even let you do that in the NFL. At the pro level, the object is to win the game, and I'm all for using every page of the rulebook to do so. At the amateur level, I think the object is to master the game.

In short, I think you have to earn the right to be a deceptive douche by showing that you've mastered every other option.

jg

In reply to JG Pasterjak:

so if the qb audibles and yells: "man coverage, deep route!" pointing to one of the corners, and then they run an option to the other side or something, is that not suggesting one thing and then delivering something different?

its also part of knowing the rules, the rule says that when the center picks up the ball, its a live play. the refs knew that, which is why they didn't stop the play. since when does seeing an opening in the rules and exploiting it, within the rules, make you a deceptive douche? all for little plastic trophies, no?

At any level the object is to win the game. If you aren't in it to win it, don't play. Non competitive sports is an oxymoron.

no different from all the other "trick" plays... the fumblerooski comes to mind... ask any Miami fan how easy it is to loose the national championship

Strizzo wrote: In reply to JG Pasterjak: so if the qb audibles and yells: "man coverage, deep route!" pointing to one of the corners, and then they run an option to the other side or something, is that not suggesting one thing and then delivering something different? its also part of knowing the rules, the rule says that when the center picks up the ball, its a live play. the refs knew that, which is why they didn't stop the play. since when does seeing an opening in the rules and exploiting it, within the rules, make you a deceptive douche? all for little plastic trophies, no?

BRAVO!

wbjones wrote: no different from all the other "trick" plays... the fumblerooski comes to mind... ask any Miami fan how easy it is to loose the national championship

No love for the best private school in Florida, but Miami won both national championships they faced the fumblerooski.

Seems like a version of the Rope-A-Dope to me.

Would have been perfectly legal to smash the ball carrier in ribs sending him off the field in a stretcher, that's why I don't like the play. Not for the sportmanship, but because you put your player at extreme risk of get hit HARD while they really aren't in a position to defend it. Meanwhile, if a linebacker on the other team realizes it's a trick play and destroyes the qb, he ends up looking like a dirtbag.

Great play for intramural, alumni, or backyard pick up games. Not impressed with it otherwise.

Osterkraut wrote:

wbjones wrote: no different from all the other "trick" plays... the fumblerooski comes to mind... ask any Miami fan how easy it is to loose the national championship

No love for the best private school in Florida, but Miami won both national championships they faced the fumblerooski.

My bad ... you're right... blame it on old age...CRS syndrome ....

sachilles wrote: Would have been perfectly legal to smash the ball carrier in ribs sending him off the field in a stretcher, that's why I don't like the play. Not for the sportmanship, but because you put your player at extreme risk of get hit HARD while they really aren't in a position to defend it. Meanwhile, if a linebacker on the other team realizes it's a trick play and destroyes the qb, he ends up looking like a dirtbag. Great play for intramural, alumni, or backyard pick up games. Not impressed with it otherwise.

the defender doesn't have to smash the QB to the ground... if the linebacker realizes it's a trick all he has to do is wrap up the ball carrier... remember he's only walking ... ref's blow the whistle ... play over... good try... no cigar

They don't often teach the defenders to hit gently. You want to hit the player hard, and maybe even knock the ball out.

I think Grumpy Jenkins must have designed that play.

Fun to watch, and I feel like it is a little dishonest. However, it's a competition, and it seems like it isn't against the rules. Just like any other sport, play until the Ref stops you. Cream the QB next time, bet they won't runt he play again for awhile.

cwh wrote: I think Grumpy Jenkins must have designed that play.

Nah, back in '51 Korea didn't a Mobile Army Something Hospital do that?

Drewsifer wrote: Cream the QB next time, bet they won't runt he play again for awhile.

Yup. Run a play like that, face the consequences when it doesn't go your way. Once the risk approaches the reward, teams will think twice before going that route.

cwh wrote: I think Grumpy Jenkins must have designed that play.

More like Smokey Yunick.