well that's all sort of awful. Last update he has a pulse, but isn't breathing. All signs point to major cardiac arrest. Doesn't sound like much of a chance for recovery.
well that's all sort of awful. Last update he has a pulse, but isn't breathing. All signs point to major cardiac arrest. Doesn't sound like much of a chance for recovery.
Between this and Ken Block, what an awful night.
Praying for Damar Hamlin.
lnlogauge said:well that's all sort of awful. Last update he has a pulse, but isn't breathing. All signs point to major cardiac arrest. Doesn't sound like much of a chance for recovery.
25 years ago, Chris Pronger's heart stopped after being hit by a puck. He was also carted off to a hospital, and had a full recovery to play. So there's at least hope.
And as long as they can get oxygen to his blood, the pulse will help.
In reply to alfadriver :
He was taken off the field 30 minutes after collapsing. I don't know enough to know why that took so long, but it sounds dire to me.
They defibrillated him on the field. The medics from the ambulance worked on him a while before loading him up. Apparently had a heartbeat but needed to be intubated and is in critical condition. Sad for a 24yr old guy in the prime of his life.
Getting up then collapsing is not good. Hopefully he pulls through, but it's pretty bad.
lnlogauge said:In reply to alfadriver :
He was taken off the field 30 minutes after collapsing. I don't know enough to know why that took so long, but it sounds dire to me.
I saw that. Sorry that I put out hope, geez.
It does not shock me that they healthcare workers were doing everything they could to stabilize him before moving him in an ambulance. It does look bad, sure.
He had a pulse, they were giving him oxygen- so there is still hope.
Provided this a commotio cordis and not a cerebral infarction, he should make it out alive. Typically you have about a 5 minute window to initiate cpr before brain death starts occurring. Assuming standard ED care, all the basic trauma labs will have been done along with trauma ct scans and most likely a stat MRI to determine the next treatment.
I've seen reports that he is ventilated with normal vital signs. Well no E36 M3. If you don't have blood pressure, we are going to raise it with levophed. If it's too high or rapid, a beat blocker iv push... Depending on vent compliance, fentanyl and versed/propofol for sedation and pain control which a switch possibly in ICU to precedex.
Either way, prayers for full recovery. Long road ahead.
Im glad I was wrong. They were able to get his heart started again on the field. Phenomenal job by the field medical team.
Ranger50 said:Provided this a commotio cordis and not a cerebral infarction, he should make it out alive. Typically you have about a 5 minute window to initiate cpr before brain death starts occurring. Assuming standard ED care, all the basic trauma labs will have been done along with trauma ct scans and most likely a stat MRI to determine the next treatment.
I've seen reports that he is ventilated with normal vital signs. Well no E36 M3. If you don't have blood pressure, we are going to raise it with levophed. If it's too high or rapid, a beat blocker iv push... Depending on vent compliance, fentanyl and versed/propofol for sedation and pain control which a switch possibly in ICU to precedex.
Either way, prayers for full recovery. Long road ahead.
But I am glad that medical people do...
In reply to Ranger50 :
If you make it 12 hours, is that any indication of anything?
And another massive cheers to the medical team on the field.
Sad to see the NFL community have to go through this. Unfortunately, we motorsports fans have more than a passing familiarity with this kind of situation.
Being from Cincy and a rally fan, my Facebook was full of doom last night.
Hope he recovers fully and quickly. I stopped watching football (except for the Superbowl), partway through the 2015 Bengals-Steelers playoff game. I was afraid I'd end up watching someone die on the field.
alfadriver said:In reply to Ranger50 :
If you make it 12 hours, is that any indication of anything?
And another massive cheers to the medical team on the field.
Short answer, no.
Longer answer is in the emergency labs and scans to determine outcome. Now they may do a trial vent ween to determine autonomic response. Serial arterial blood gases and art line.... many factors involved.
It was just awful to see. When a guy just collapses after a routine play, it's scary. I'm pulling for the kid. Going to be a while before he's out of the woods, but here's hoping he'll make a full recovery.
This brings back memories of playing hockey as a teenager. One of the players on the opposing team took a slapshot to the chest, got up, then fell and didn't get back up. He is the reason there's now AED's in all the ice rinks around here.
Hopefully Hamlin makes a full recovery.
Props to the players and coaching staff for refusing to continue with the game. From what I could tell, the NFL gave them 5 minutes to "warm up" before restarting, and they all said "no". I suspect there was a lot of working on the messanging at head office before it was officially postponed. You really got the impression from watching the players that these guys are really teammates, not just a bunch of mercenaries. They cared.
I was impressed by the behavior of the fans in the stands, especially since Hamlin was on the visiting team. And people are showing their support not with thoughts and prayers, but with thousands of small donations to his charity. It was at $2900 before the game. By the time the game would have ended, it was at about $1,000,000. Now it's over $3 million, $10-25 at a time. Makes you feel a little bit good about people.
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/03/1146629214/damar-hamlin-bills-fundraiser-chasing-m-foundation
In reply to Keith Tanner :
One of my friends lives near the hospital they took him to, and said there was quite the vigil outside.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
It was just reported on ESPN that the game restart was never going to happen, as per the NFL. Not sure why it took so long to tell the fans, but it is what it was.
alfadriver said:In reply to Keith Tanner :
It was just reported on ESPN that the game restart was never going to happen, as per the NFL. Not sure why it took so long to tell the fans, but it is what it was.
Not sure I buy that. Joe Buck said over and over that it was going to. And if the restart was never going to happen, why did it take over an hour to say so?
This is all about "protect the shield". Buck will fall on his sword if the league needs him to.
My assumption the reason it took as long as it did was to make sure all their ducks were in a row. Everyone that would be involved (Cinci police for crowd control, NFL players assoc., front offices for both teams and the league etc. Etc. Etc.) was talked with before the decision was made public. Joe Buck had an approved statement in hand at the same time they announced the postponement. That didn't come out of thin air.
In reply to NY Nick :
Yeah, but read up on that leave 'em dead stuff. 24 yo cat getting that is no good,
The charity is over $4 million now with 151,000 donors.
The teams care about their players. The league cares about the money. At the time, there was going to be a restart including an announced timetable until the coaches talked to each other. Now the NFL is trying to spin it so they're the good guys, but they dropped that ball live.
The ex-player who was sitting back at the Sportscenter studio with bald glasses dude was quite eloquent. I was impressed.
In reply to Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) :
In terms of the crowd, one theory I saw was to set up the exit system for the stadium. That's not in place until the end of the game, anyway- so it needed some time to set up.
That, and the game was postponed just an hour from when the hit actually happened. Which was a half hour from when the ambulance left. I'm not sure it was "too long"- just long. Especially when not all that many knew what was going on. Heck Stefan Diggs tried to focus his team to resume playing just after the ambulance left- so it wasn't exactly clear to the players.
I'm pretty sure an event like this was never planned for.
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