I'm old....Can I use this to justify why my Datsun has a loud straight pipe? At least I know when the car is running....
"Without the motion of turning a physical key, some car owners, especially older ones, forget to turn off a vehicle."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/business/keyless-carbon-monoxide.html
I'm old but I certainly would not leave the car without turning off the engine.
It,s sort of like a reflex action, turn the key or push the button.
Not having a key to turn in a car is the devils work. Only a Satanist, or perhaps a Communist would want anything to do with a pushbutton.
Well, those FOBs are a stupid idea anyway. I went to pick up my wife's CRV from the shop where it had been left. Shop was closed for the night so no key. Called my wife to bring the spare and she said she had lost that one already. I tried the door and the car was unlocked. Yup. The one she lost was down behind a seat somewhere. For six months anyone could have jumped in and pushed the start button. Makes me wonder how many cars at the mall could be driven away.
Streetwiseguy said:Not having a key to turn in a car is the devils work. Only a Satanist, or perhaps a Communist would want anything to do with a pushbutton.
Wife’s 2018 Honda has a button. Kinda like it.
Sons 2007 Sentra has a fob and you turn a keyless key thingie. Gotta admit it felt annoying to not have a button.
Those fobs are a trap. I program them on a regular basis. They're usually 200$ or better. I can either buy A KEY FOR A CAR- or i can buy a whole beater corolla, and it usually has keys!
The fob is the part I object to - it seems like they're usually big giant things that will barely fit in my pocket, and the cost to replace them is crazy - I can get a replacement key made for my car for a few bucks at any hardware store.
iceracer said:I'm old but I certainly would not leave the car without turning off the engine.
It,s sort of like a reflex action, turn the key or push the button.
The problem isn't so much the pushbutton by itself, it's the combination of a wireless keyfob (so no physical key to turn back and take out) along with auto stop/start.
You pull into the garage, put it in park, and the engine stops. If it's bright out you can't really tell that the dashboard lights are on, so the car looks like it's off. Throw in some distractions at just the wrong time when you arrive which interrupts your routine (kids in the back seat, whatever) and it's very easy to forget to push the button again to prevent the car from automatically restarting the engine when the battery runs low.
In reply to codrus :
What cars stop in park? All the start-stop cars I drive (all one brand) run in neutral or park. And there are lights when you open the door on an on car.
I've done it. Multiple times, but not in the garage. Gimme a key.
This is the moment in time when automotive keys reached their pinnacle. Evolution should have stopped here.
Woody said:This is the moment in time when automotive keys reached their pinnacle. Evolution should have stopped here.
These things are a nightmare. My worst enemy is when someone brings me a smashed one. I have to- cut the key, pull all the guts out of the dead one, PRAY i can get the RFID chip out of the case, and then reassemble it all send them on their way- and my payout is about 25 bucks. And the last time, the chip died and we had to redo the womans entire remote system. I was displeased.
We have several push button cars at work and they’re a pain in the ass for fleets. People forget they have the fob and take them home at night, reliefs get in a running car and drive off without the fob and are unable to restart them later, its impressive how many new ways to screw something up people can devise.
This pushbutton start nonsense is the answer to a question nobody asked. It's a gee-whiz gadget that some designer thought would be seen as super cool by someone who liked gee-whiz gadgets. Apparently, they were right.
A) Give me back my dang key.
B) Get off my dang lawn.
I forgot, whatever cars my father has at work you can hit the ignition button instead of the radio and shut the car off at a light or stop sign.
Traditional tech is good enough.
Why you need newfangled stuff?
Woody said:This is the moment in time when automotive keys reached their pinnacle. Evolution should have stopped here.
I always thought these were designed to break. Like a lot of my older cars have had tabs on the lock cylinder so the torque of turning the switch is on the lock cylinder not the key. With these not only do you have to pull force on the key, the key is a 2 piece plastic/steel arrangement with the tiniest amount of mechanical engagement between the two. I'm amazed you don't see the fob broken off of the blade more often.
alfadriver said:In reply to codrus :
What cars stop in park? All the start-stop cars I drive (all one brand) run in neutral or park. And there are lights when you open the door on an on car.
The Q5 I just had as a loaner seemed to do it. Confusing as hell to figure out if I managed to hit the stop/start button hard enough to register and have it turn "off", or if it's just sitting there waiting to turn it back on. Yes, there are lights on, but if it's bright and sunny then those aren't real obvious.
It's even worse if it's a hybrid where it can run with the motor off, because you can pull into the garage on electric power.
1988RedT2 said:This pushbutton start nonsense is the answer to a question nobody asked. It's a gee-whiz gadget that some designer thought would be seen as super cool by someone who liked gee-whiz gadgets. Apparently, they were right.
A) Give me back my dang key.
B) Get off my dang lawn.
I actually really like the proximity sensor key thing. Why? Because it means my wife never has to take her key out of her purse, which means she never loses it. I lost track of how many replacement keys we had to buy for the Odyssey that she had before. It was a lot, and they were expensive.
Woody said:This is the moment in time when automotive keys reached their pinnacle. Evolution should have stopped here.
I have had several Hondas with keys like this. All have done over 100k without an issue.
I hate driving with keys keys in my pocket. This key means that I don’t have to do that. With a push button, there is always the temptation to toss the fob onto the console, setting you up for disaster.
A friend of a relative had her 10 year old Lexus stolen (they got her keys when they burglarized her house). Lexus was recovered but the key thing-amajig wasn’t found. She said it cost her almost $1300 at the dealer for a new ones.
codrus said:1988RedT2 said:This pushbutton start nonsense is the answer to a question nobody asked. It's a gee-whiz gadget that some designer thought would be seen as super cool by someone who liked gee-whiz gadgets. Apparently, they were right.
A) Give me back my dang key.
B) Get off my dang lawn.
I actually really like the proximity sensor key thing. Why? Because it means my wife never has to take her key out of her purse, which means she never loses it. I lost track of how many replacement keys we had to buy for the Odyssey that she had before. It was a lot, and they were expensive.
Downside: Anybody with an RF repeater can get into the car and drive away as she is walking away from the car. Car will unlock and start thanks to the repeater, and won't shut off with no key until you shut it off.
drainoil said:A friend of a relative had her 10 year old Lexus stolen (they got her keys when they burglarized her house). Lexus was recovered but the key thing-amajig wasn’t found. She said it cost her almost $1300 at the dealer for a new ones.
I've bought complete, running cars for less than that and they even came with keys.
Solutions for a problem nobody had.
In reply to Woody :
I had that key in my 2011 Accord- biggest issue was the little screw on the other side backed out and got lost. Then the dealer wouldn’t warranty it and wanted $1.35 for a new screw.
First world problems?
At least I can't lock the key in the car with the engine running.
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