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Its a proven fact that those who have "free" health care have bigger hootii than us..

See.. It's here on the map..

http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/world-penis-size-map/

huge-O-chavez wrote: Its a proven fact that those who have "free" health care have bigger hootii than us.. See.. It's here on the map.. http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/world-penis-size-map/

More reason why "free" health care is bad.

Proof of my statement: http://chambana.craigslist.org/w4m/2301372043.html

In reply to HiTempguy:

The Canadians think "warm sandy beaches" means when there is some sand present and the water isn't frozen. That's why they clog up our beaches in December and are the only ones swimming.

ahhhh the health care debate, guaranteed to have us all spitting and fighting mad. I have come to the conclusion that there is not a right or perfect system. We could fill up a thousand pages of stories and anecdotes of good or bad examples of any system. My question is where do we stop with "government run" health care? If we really want to cut costs in health care.....ban smoking, make people exercise, strictly regulate food (good bye McDonalds and Krispy Kreme) because we don't take care of ourselves well at all. If you treat a car like crap and it breaks, we all know that it's our fault....why should you expect any different out of your body! Obviously I have a different perspective than most here as it's my life to take care of people.

I didn't follow the link to the article. I only read the excerpt Wally posted. What I what to know is, why were the previous surgeries postponed? Was it because she was too ill and the surgeries were deemed too risky? They did say that the first surgery was "major" so it seems reasonable to assume she was likely quite ill to begin with. I expect I will see the typical, angry, reactionary, Republican, anti-national healthcare posts as I continue to read all the replies. Just kidding about the Republican thing but I figure I'd get a least of couple of you riled up for a moment. This may just be a case of a sick woman that was too sick to undergo further surgery and eventually passed away from her illness. I don't know enough to draw good conclusions and I'm not going to jump to fill in the blanks just to support my ideology. I bet if she was a poor, uninsured American she would have been dead long ago.

Disclaimer: As an uninsured American I've got a different perspective than many of you. Here at home I was effectively refuse treatment after an accident because I don't look like I can afford to pay. I had to travel to Central America to receive quality, affordable healthcare. I'm very happy with the outcome of my third-world surgery. The hospital was one of the nicest I've ever been in and the care was outstanding. Probably better than any experience I've ever had here at home. It was an eye-opening experience for me. You won't convince me that we've got the best healthcare in the world.

On a lighter note: Miata

townsend7 wrote: On a lighter note: Miata

I dunno, seems like I've been seeing a bit of dissent lately on the Miata-is-the-answer front...

ransom wrote:

townsend7 wrote: On a lighter note: Miata

I dunno, seems like I've been seeing a bit of dissent lately on the Miata-is-the-answer front...

I meant to type P71.

townsend7 wrote: ..Was it because she was too ill and the surgeries were deemed too risky? They did say that the first surgery was "major" so it seems reasonable to assume she was likely quite ill to begin with...

No, it's because they are trying to kill grandma!!!!!

(I just want to use that argument because it is one of the stupidest political arguments ever.... OK, now that might be an overstatement...)

aircooled wrote:

townsend7 wrote: ..Was it because she was too ill and the surgeries were deemed too risky? They did say that the first surgery was "major" so it seems reasonable to assume she was likely quite ill to begin with...

No, it's because they are trying to kill grandma!!!!! (I just want to use that argument because it is one of the stupidest political arguments ever.... OK, now that might be an overstatement...)

Well, if Grandma was a liberal....

cwh wrote: I have heard about long delays in getting treatment in countries with free health care. Looks like it's true. This was no welfare lady, but a respected citizen. Yeah, I'll take my expensive but pretty good health care system.

Really? Ours is somehow special?

Let's see, I'm currently sitting in a hospital hotel- my father in law was sent here, 2 hours from home after being told this was the place to go for bleeding on his brain. He waited 65 hours in and emergency room gurney before the fairly easy operation. 65 hours in a 65 F e-room (this is Puerto Rico, so that is insane cold). They restrict visitors to one at a time, plastic chair, no blankets. This is part of our "great" health system.

He's not a welfare man, and moreso a veteran who served us Americans in Korea. Yet he' treated horrifficly. I'll not bring up how the family is being treated.

You have a lot of convincing me that our health system is something special for the average retiree or veteran.

Lord Eric, Don't get me started on how the US has and is screwing with Territorial Citizens. It sickens me to no end. I understand the general politics of the situation but it is all wrong regardless.

God speed to your FIL, and thank him for me.

aircooled wrote: I find it interesting that it is somehow assumed that this woman would "skip the line" because she has a relation to the hospital. In a way it is a refreshing example of someone being treated as the "common folk" when they otherwise might not be.

No I think the issue is that for the very high tax rate you have in England, you still get surgery cancelled four times.

spitfirebill wrote:

aircooled wrote: I find it interesting that it is somehow assumed that this woman would "skip the line" because she has a relation to the hospital. In a way it is a refreshing example of someone being treated as the "common folk" when they otherwise might not be.

No I think the issue is that for the very high tax rate you have in England, you still get surgery cancelled four times.

There's valid and invalid reasons to postpone surgery. Which is the case in this article? Or... folks can just make up facts to support their ideology. USA USA USA USA!!!!

townsend7 wrote: There's valid and invalid reasons to postpone surgery. Which is the case in this article? Or... folks can just make up facts to support their ideology. USA USA USA USA!!!!

Ding ding ding. I've seen patients die after surgery was postponed, right here in the good old USA. Most often surgery was postponed because the patient was found to be too unstable for a major operation. Sometimes surgery is postponed because an emergency cuts in line. Least common is when the Surgeon takes some time off, but it does happen.

In our system, you also have to work with a Hospital and Doctor that will accept insurance you're stuck with. Do we have more choice or less?