ultraclyde
ultraclyde UberDork
8/15/16 10:54 a.m.

This is kind of a newb question, but this is my first power boat. 1973 Evinrude 85HP with standard factory remote - dual cable throttle-shift controls, not electro-hydraulics.

Running the boat yesterday it was really hard to get the throttle lever forward enough to get the rpms up. I think I need to shorten up the throttle cable just a smidge.

Engine running, lever in neutral - straight up and the detent is engaged. When you pull up the button and move the lever forward the drive is fully engaged by the time the lever is 45* forward, and the engine is still at idle. This seems normal.

Moving the throttle lever further forward the engine RPM barely increases until you get to the very end of the lever's travel. You have to be in the last 10 of lever swing before it will bring the RPM up enough to get up on plane. Moving through the last 10 takes a lot of force on the lever too, like I was worried about breaking something. I do think it's getting WOT at the very end if you really force the lever down.

With the cover off and giving a quick look at the linkages, it appears that there is some lag between the shift cable being fully engaged and the throttle moving.

Am I correct that it should be set up so that just as your shift cable is fully engaged you have the throttle at idle but it almost immediately starts to open the throttle after that?

Other than that the 43 year old outboard runs like a champ!

java230
java230 Dork
8/15/16 11:01 a.m.

There should be some adjustment at the motor side of things. But yes arer correct it should be in gear right away, then begin to throttle up.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
8/15/16 12:17 p.m.

I've had a similar experience with my old boat. Side-console-operated 90 HP Johnson V-4. Shifts perfectly through reverse, neutral, forward, but takes near full forward to get going. There's no binding in the cable, and everything looks good at the motor.

jmthunderbirdturbo
jmthunderbirdturbo HalfDork
8/17/16 4:11 a.m.

possibly helpful write up. this is for mercs, and more geared towards timing, but ill post it anyways:


Manual specs are different for each but this is close enough to get them all REAL close. This assumes nothing is broken or "wrong" with it. This also assumes that the timing pointer is properly adjusted (if adjustable) to accurately read TDC of the #1 piston.

This basic procedure will work for all the 2/3/4/6 cylinder inlines from 1960 to 1988. It's not for the newer 3 and 4 cylinder loopers.

Engine off

Disconnect throttle cable

Pull throttle arm to full throttle and verify carbs open fully. Adjust main throttle stop so that the carbs are JUST hitting thier own little throttle stops. The idea here is that you want the screw stop and NOT the carbs acting as the "final stop" for your throttle lever.

Return the throttle to idle, carbs should be closed. Set all idle screws to 1 3/4 turns out from lightly seated.

Remove all plugs except #1, hook a timing light to #1. Then follow the narritive.

When the throttle is in the idle position the carbs should be fully closed and the ignition retarded. It is the amount of retardation that determines your idle speed and is set later with the idle stop screw.

Timing Event One - throttle pickup. As the throttle is advanced, the spark timing advances toward TDC and then to before TDC. As the timing is just passing TDC the 1st (minor)throttle pickup should hit and start to open the carbs. Use the timing light. Adjust the tang or trigger screw to make this a reality. All of them are speced different, but if the 1st pickup hits at 3-4 degrees BTDC advance - you win. Use the timing light with a friend cranking it to complete this setting.

Timing Event Two - max advance. As you continue to advance the throttle the timing will advance while the carbs slowly open a bit more. The next adjustment is max advance, this is the point where the distibutor (or trigger) can advance no more. Set the max-advance stop to 21 degrees for "direct charge" crossflow inlines and 34 degrees for the older plain vanilla crossflows. Use the light, - err to the side of caution.

Right after max advance, further throttle motion should cause the second throttle pickup to hit and open the carbs to full. You already set that -now verify it.

Leave the throttle cable disconnected and go to the water. Leave the boat strapped to the trailer and back it in so it's deep enought to run. Have a friend crank it while you operate the choke and throttle. Warm it up at 1500 rpms's.

When "warm" adjust the idle stop screw for about 800 rpm and then ajust your idle needle(s) in (one at a time) till the motor stumbles. Quickly backing it out 1/2 turn from "stumble" will usually save it from needing a re-start. Do that for all the idle screws. Re-set idle stop for 800.

Now have your friend put it in gear (make SURE you are on the transom NOT in the water) and reset your idle stop for as low as you can get it. 500-600rpm is great if your old reeds will let it idle that low in gear. Now, re-adjust the idle screws, in to stumble, then 1/2 turn out. When you've gone back and forth with that a few times and have it "perfect" - adjust each one out 1/4 turn.

Reset the idle stop so that it's about 700-800 out of gear and 500-600 in gear. Sometimes bad reeds won't let you get that low, you've GOT to get it under 1000 in neutral (worst case) to avoid beating up your lower unit when you shift into gear, even 1000 is "bad" but like I said "worst case".

Now adjust (and hook up)the throttle cable so that with the shifter in neutral, there is light to moderate pressure holding the throttle arm against the idle stop.

Take the boat off the trailer and go out in the water. Try the hole shot. If it falls on it's face try adjusting the idle screws out 1/4 turn at a time (all of them together) till you can get a hole shot. You can kind of do this on the trailer at the ramp, but it's not really safe for you, the boat, or the tow vehicle.

You're done.


-J0N

ultraclyde
ultraclyde UberDork
8/17/16 7:33 a.m.

Well, I tinkered around with the adjustment on the motor end and have just about come to the conclusion that my problem is in the control box. Seems like something's loose or worn out - like a car shift rod where the plastic bushing has fallen out or something. It also may be that the cable housing isn't clamped well at the box - the whole cable seems to move more than it should. I'll have to take the control box apart to figure it out.

Luckily, I did verify I'm getting WOT eventually because the carb arm goes to the stop. SO it's really more an issue of refinement than basic operation.

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