Paul Walker Dead.

In the early noughties it was a great mag, I even sub'd to if for a time.

Back on topic, which is the 'best of the F&F films? I think I saw 1, 2 and whichever one where they were driving through tunnels bringing drugs over from Mexico. Of the others, which is the best, I feel an F&F movie coming on for this weekend.

93EXCivic wrote:

mndsm wrote: SCC was my favorite mag for a LONG time.

If it hadn't been for that mag, I probably never would have found GRM.

This...A LOT

4cylndrfury wrote:

93EXCivic wrote:

mndsm wrote: SCC was my favorite mag for a LONG time.

If it hadn't been for that mag, I probably never would have found GRM.

This...A LOT

Plus eleventy billion.

Also, I'm not sure which I consider as the best. I will see 6 later today. 5 is probably the "best" right now. IMO it's 54312 in order of good to terribad. I still watch them all, though.

I see the box set in my future.

Yeah... I may upgrade to box set if the series is ever finished. I have all of them, including the FF1 I preordered for myself for Xmas like... 12 years ago.

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I think I saw 1, 2 and whichever one where they were driving through tunnels bringing drugs over from Mexico.

Pretty sure the tunnel system was F&F4. I liked the films.....silly popcorn movies, not art, but I don't care, they were enjoyable.

I'm going to say something that some will consider blasphemous....but Paul Walker may end up being the generation X version of James Dean: movie star, motorsports enthusiast, tragic death in a sports car, cut down in the prime of his life, etc....

I know it is a bit of a stretch, but not as much as you'd think. When's the last time you actually WATCHED one of dean's movies? They're not as good as everybody thinks they are. Rebel Without A Cause made me want to slap the whiny twerp. East of Eden is not much better....

JoeyM wrote:

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I think I saw 1, 2 and whichever one where they were driving through tunnels bringing drugs over from Mexico.

Pretty sure the tunnel system was F&F4. I liked the films.....silly popcorn movies, not art, but I don't care, they were enjoyable.

4 was the drug tunnels, yes. 5 they were stealing cars off a train so the Rock could get more oil for his muscles or something.

Sounds like he had some cool cars:

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2013/12/12/Matt-Farah-Tours-Paul-Walker-s-Car-Collection-7717599/

http://www.motorsport.com/general/news/rodas-walker-coroners-report-released/

Roger Rodas and Paul Walker were travelling at approximately 100 mph plus in their Porsche Carrera when they crashed into a light pole and tree before bursting into flames, according to the Los Angeles County coroners office report.

The report suggests that both drivers had been killed before the flames overtook the vehicle.

In reply to N Sperlo:

Knew it. All this talk of the car caused the crash was bullE36 M3. It was the driver.

I'm not sure about the accuracy of this, but I was talking to a guy who has a friend at Beverly Hills Porsche where they allegedly did the black box download. They said 150mph and the brakes were never touched.

Well, it depends whether you think snap oversteer is a driver or car issue.

Ultimately, as with aviation accidents, the driver is almost always, ultimately the primary cause.

He may not have been aware of the handling characteristics of the Porsche, but that just means he really should not have explored that on the streets.

In reply to Steelpig:

This is the coroner's report. It could still coincide with that report. With enough time, that will become public like anything else.

BTW the conspiracy theories about this have already started, apparently Paul knew too much, or stirred the wrong pot, or pissed off a politican.

Sigh

The car was probably remotely-controlled just like those drone 747s they flew on 9/11.

Nahh, he missed a payment and they remotely disabled his steering through the OnStar system...

aircooled wrote: he really should not have explored that on the streets.

This is all that matters.

I am 31 and I remember seeing f&f 1 in theaters with my friends it was cheesy but I still have seen everyone since. Admittidly most were on DVD or tv. I remember when it was popular and in my redneck town kids were putting spoilers , hoodscoops, neon lights.... Etc on whatever handmedowns their parents gave them ; taureses, luminas, stratuses. Then of course the few that had mustangs and civics, they thought they were the coolest. The cool kid in my grade had a mustang with rims, blue neon w/w squirters, vinyl decals. It was only a v6 but the genius still wrapped it around a tree. Good memories...

This: 100mph on the streets isn't an accident.

Anti-stance wrote:

aircooled wrote: he really should not have explored that on the streets.

This is all that matters.

A lot of comments I've seen on this latest report seem to forget or ignore that Walker was the passenger. Rodas, for all intents and purposes, was a professional racing driver but shouldn't have been going that fast on public surface roads. If the brakes were never touched that makes sense, nailing the brakes in a car like that at those speeds is only going to make things worse. He tried to power out of it and unfortunately he ran out of talent at the wrong moment...

Leave the speed to the track. Nobody needs to be going that fast on public streets.

Someone pointed out that this video of an elise tankslapper (fast forward to 3:08 if the link doesn't work) from the Nordschleife shows more or less what happened, only slower and without a light pole or a tree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIltO3NuGkk#t=188

In reply to Datsun1500:

A few times, mostly on empty highways, once I even had a legitimate excuse(long story short, pissed off rednecks were trying to run me off the road, pos sunfire is faster than Dodge dually).

Speed combined with the environment (i.e. poles and trees right off the road) was the lethal factor in this accident, there's no denying that, the driver took a risk and ran out of luck, killed himself the passenger on board, end of story.

Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to Datsun1500: A few times, mostly on empty highways, once I even had a legitimate excuse(long story short, pissed off rednecks were trying to run me off the road, pos sunfire is faster than Dodge dually). Speed combined with the environment (i.e. poles and trees right off the road) was the lethal factor in this accident, there's no denying that, the driver took a risk and ran out of luck, killed himself the passenger on board, end of story.

This.

In reply to Datsun1500:

Yep, I sure have done triple digits on public roads... when I was a young dumbE36 M3. Even then, it was on an interstate. I grew the hell up. No one is impressed by my speedo going 100+ mph on a interstate(or a industrial park), not even me.

This was a racecar driver in a fast exotic car in an industrial park going atleast twice the speed limit. He killed himself and another person. Speed and ultimately poor decision making were the cause of this, not bad luck and a dangerous car.

I loved the movies and I love sportscar racing but as sad as this whole situation is, it was Rodas that made this happen.

Anti-stance wrote: No one is impressed by my speedo going 100+ mph on a interstate(or a industrial park), not even me.

Dude. If you're going to go over 100mph, wear something more than a speedo.