racerfink
racerfink Dork
8/31/12 12:15 p.m.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/30/new-frontiers-in-hypersensitvity-state-department-officer-says-holding-down-the-fort-is-racist/

"And in case you’re wondering how he could have done all the etymological detective work necessary to conclude that these phrases came from where he says they came from, and still have time to perform his Chief Diversity Officer duties at the State Department, wonder no more: Robinson doesn’t really know if any of this is true."

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/31/12 12:30 p.m.

"Rule of Thumb", who knew?

93EXCivic
93EXCivic UltimaDork
8/31/12 12:31 p.m.
914Driver wrote: "Rule of Thumb", who knew?

Obviously you have never watched Boondock Saints.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/31/12 12:32 p.m.

Jeez this guy doesn't need to give them ideas! I bet half the phrases we use are tangentially related to some backward practice in one way or another.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/31/12 12:34 p.m.
914Driver wrote: "Rule of Thumb", who knew?

It is all explained in the opening sequence of The Boondock Saints.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuJViUafKQo

EDIT: LOL, I guess I got beat to the "punch" while looking for video clips.

mtn
mtn PowerDork
8/31/12 12:37 p.m.

Rule of Wrist would be better

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UltraDork
8/31/12 12:37 p.m.
Idiot PC people said: And did you know using the phrase “holding down the fort” is the linguistic equivalent of scalping a Cherokee? According to Robinson, the phrase dates back to American soldiers on the western frontier who wanted to “hold down” all that land they stole.

Uh yeah because the first "forts" were in the American west. They never had forts earlier in history on other continents... Freaking PC bull E36 M3

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/31/12 12:38 p.m.

All I have to say is:

You people hold down the fort for me.

racerfink
racerfink Dork
8/31/12 12:45 p.m.

Apparently, this guy doesn't know how to use Wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/31/12 12:56 p.m.
racerfink wrote: Apparently, this guy doesn't know how to use that dead space between his ears.

FTFY

93EXCivic
93EXCivic UltimaDork
8/31/12 12:59 p.m.

I have decided I should never read comments on most any website because they all make me lose faith in humanity.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
8/31/12 1:12 p.m.

In reply to 93EXCivic:

Yeah, those seem to be even worse than most. Nothing like anonymity to bring out the worst in people.

poopshovel
poopshovel UltimaDork
8/31/12 1:15 p.m.

Friend of mine swears this is true:

His wife works for Coca Cola. They have boxes for recycling paper. One box is for white paper. One box is for color paper. Someone complained, and the box that said "color paper" now says "paper of color."

oldtin
oldtin SuperDork
8/31/12 1:29 p.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
8/31/12 1:31 p.m.
poopshovel wrote: stuff

There was also some issue over the use of schit paper as derogatory but it was determined after some study that the users were all azzholes.

914Driver
914Driver MegaDork
8/31/12 1:33 p.m.
rebelgtp wrote: Uh yeah because the first "forts" were in the American west.

St. Augustine -- 1758. It's a fort.

aircooled
aircooled PowerDork
8/31/12 1:55 p.m.

I think someone needs to come to the realization that what a word means is entirely determined by what people THINK it means. I doesn't matter what it may have meant in the past. If no one considers that the meaning anymore, then it isn't.

racerfink
racerfink Dork
8/31/12 2:20 p.m.

I don't think there were too many Native Americans attacking Spain in the 14th century...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcazaba_of_Antequera

racerfink
racerfink Dork
8/31/12 2:22 p.m.
aircooled wrote: I think someone needs to come to the realization that what a word means is entirely determined by what people THINK it means. I doesn't matter what it may have meant in the past. If no one considers that the meaning anymore, then it isn't.

So, who determines what it should mean now, instead of what it's always meant in the past?

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/31/12 2:53 p.m.

1623: Fort Orange

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Orange_(New_Netherland)

Beer Baron
Beer Baron PowerDork
8/31/12 2:59 p.m.

Clearly this man is niggardly of wit.

racerfink wrote: Apparently, this guy doesn't know how to use Wikipedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

That makes sense, the sort of universal sign for "about" in Germany (analogous to wiggling your hand flat like a scale in America) is looking over your thumb. You're eyeballing it.

Curmudgeon
Curmudgeon MegaDork
8/31/12 3:06 p.m.
914Driver wrote:
rebelgtp wrote: Uh yeah because the first "forts" were in the American west.
St. Augustine -- 1758. It's a fort.

Charles Towne Landing (Charleston), the landing took place in April 1670. There was a fort there by wintertime of that year.

aircooled
aircooled PowerDork
8/31/12 3:12 p.m.
racerfink wrote: So, who determines what it should mean now, instead of what it's always meant in the past?

They just do a survey. Whatever ranks the highest is the first meaning shown in the dictionary.

There never really is a should mean, just what people believe it means. That is how languages evolve.

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