Verdict in the cleveland police shooting is coming down at 10am. Supposedly there are 600+ hotel rooms that have been occupied by or booked by outside instigators since the trial went to the decision making process. I have cousins on the CPD and friends in the area that the instigators are likely to hit first, should stuff get ugly. My sister and other cousin(who lives in my house) are hopefully in a safer area but that area was also the site of the race riots in the 70's.
Things are looking up now right now, I'd hate to see things get ruined by a bunch of outside opportunists trying to further whatever cause they are claiming. This case is nothing like the other two that turned ugly afterward, this one went to trial. This one was about 2 lifetime criminals who ran from the police once, then ran again in the same evening leading to their deaths. I fear people will take their aggression about the other case(Tamir Rice, the 12 year old who was acting a thug and pointing a gun at people at the rec center, people called 911, police showed up and when he reached into his waistband for the gun he got shot) still being investigated out if the judge doesn't pin the deaths of the 2 in this case on the officer on trial.
There again, I got my news from GRM. Thanks Pat for the tip off. I now have turned on Channel 3.
Streaming it here: http://fox8.com/live-stream-b/
Apparently the judge lives in my neighborhood. I heard on the radio that people were planning a protest in the area.
"Brielo's response was an objectively reasonable response"
Not guilty on all counts.
Synopsis of findings here: http://fox8.com/2015/05/23/verdict-reached-for-cleveland-police-officer-charged-in-deadly-2012-police-chase-shooting/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/23/verdict-reached-for-cleveland-patrolman-charged-in-deaths-suspects-amid-137/?intcmp=latestnews
Only Brelo was charged criminally because prosecutors said he waited until the car had stopped and the occupants were no longer a threat to fire 15 rounds down into the windshield while standing on its hood.
His attorneys argued and testimony showed that other officers fired during the final barrage.
So, ahh... Cleveland Rocks!!!
Subtle difference. He was found not guilty of manslaughter because it could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed them as there were multiple wounds that could have been fatal, and they were probably already dead from other shots at that point. It wasn't tactically wise to just on the hood like that, but that is not a criminal offense and not something that he was being charged with in that trial.
FWIW, I know one of the officers loosely involved in that situation. "Loosely" meaning one of the people who was involved in the chase and nowhere near involved with the shooting. Everyone - EVERYONE - remotely involved with the situation, at that time, was given a suspension pending investigaton. Well over 100 officers IIRC.
It has probably always been this way, but with Teh Intr4w3bz, y0, people are finding out how SOME of the PoPo tend to become judge, jury and executioner and that is not going over very well. If 5 bad guys had shot someone, all 5 would be charged with murder and convicted, regardless of who fired the actual fatal shot. "Oh, there were 5 wounds that could have been fatal. We don't know which one did it, so we're going to let all 5 off." That doesn't work.
This is the first I've heard of this case, so I certainly have almost zero info on it, but standing on the hood doing a mag dump through the windshield into the front seat occupants is not "police work." Neither is shooting someone in the back when they run away from a traffic stop for a burned out third brake light, or shooting two beer shoplifters because you thought their skateboards were weapons. Now, the 12 year old pointing what looks to be a gun at the cops, the 300 lb linebacker charging and beating on the cop, OK, I can see that as justified. But the dental assistant who took a wrong turn in the driveway at the white house? Is that reason enough to execute someone? That's what it was.
"What it was" was a 22 minute long chase through suburban and urban situations at high speed. It was a major news thing here in 2012. I can respect that officers involved may have been a bit agitated at the time.
It wasn't just a traffic stop.
So is it hot in Cleveland yet? 
Not yet, hope it stays that way.
There's a helicopter orbiting somewhere nearby. That or the neighbor bought really, really badass lawnmower.
Newfeed says protest is on w.153rd street. I'm just off of Warren (w.150th in West Park). So that explains that.
edit: "153rd just south of I-90." Guess where I live? Just south of I-90...
Edit edit: Co-worker texted me the name of the park where that protest was occurring - Impett Park. I live a block from there. The chopper went away after about 2:30 or so. Sucker must have had a fuel capacity like a tanker truck to be airborne that long.
Seems like an odd place to protest Cleveland Police activity.
Just barely within the city limits and one of maybe 4 great neighborhoods still in the city.
Edit: reports says the planned protest was set in this neighborhood because the area has a high concentration of police officers that live in the area.
For some insight for others, there used to be a law/rule in Ohio that I think has been since overruled, that if you worked for a Municipality/City, that Municipality could require that you live within the city limits.
As such, there are a few well defined neighborhoods in the City that are made up of a high concentration of Police/Fire/Municipal workers.
From what's on Ch.3 it looks very calm, just people peacefully protesting. I would assume that if there were Stupid out there, the media would be flocking there in droves.
I saw the dead man's sister talking earlier; she seemed very well-spoken and very calm. Hopefully her attitude will keep the Sharpton show away.
They just mentioned the West Park area as 'an area where many police and judges live', so I assume that's why there's a protest group there.
I believe police are allowed to move out after 5 years. My cousins lived in west park and now north ridgeville, another lived in north collinwood by my sister and my rental house and he moved out too. Lots of police and firefighters live in west park though, and that awesome donut shop. Go figure
Not to be mean or anything but what I saw of Cleveland a few years back would benefit from "Urban Renewal" a la fiery riots.
You really think that Tamir Rice death was justified?
T.J.
UltimaDork
5/23/15 7:18 p.m.
If anyone ever shoots 137 bullets at me, I sure hope more than one of them end up in jail and/or dead from return fire. That is absurd.
yupididit wrote:
You really think that Tamir Rice death was justified?
Different case.
My opinion isn't relevant, I'm just relaying info.
(if only more news sources would recognize that their opinion wasn't relevant)
My question was for patgizz sorry. Aite though.
No problem...
Wasn't the Tamir Rice situation the one where they didn't bother with even remotely getting medical assistance for him?
yupididit, I don't claim to know much about the Tamir Rice incident, but from what I've read/seen on the video, he pointed what looked like a gun at the cops. That's bad. It is unfortunate that he was killed, but if you point a gun at the cops, that's what is going to happen. Actually, if you point a gun at anyone that is armed, that is likely to happen.
the tamir rice case was a mess on all accounts. from the start with the kid waving a gun at people. the kid screwed up, the officer shot as soon as he opened his car door, then the responding officers didn't bother getting medical help.
none of that is justified including the kid waving a gun, whether a pellet gun or not, at people at a rec center. a pellet gun that looks just like any other pistol and has the orange end piece either removed or painted black must be assumed to be a deadly weapon in this case. he made a horrible decision that cost him his life, the police didn't act properly afterward, and the worst part about the whole situation is 5 months later nothing has been done on any account in the case. i don't believe the officer who shot him should have something pinned on him because in the video, you can see the kid reach for the gun tucked in his waist band as the police car pulls up, and the officer has to assume he's going to get shot at. whichever officers decided not to call immediately for an ambulance and provide medical assistance to the dying kid on the sidewalk are the ones who deserve punishment. to serve and protect is their duty, and once they did the protect part(protect the people who had rice's gun pointed at them by immobilizing him i guess), they failed in their duty to serve him by providing medical assistance.
it's easy to point fingers after the fact, but in the heat of the moment police officers, not just these guys but all police at one point or another, are put in situations where they must act in an instant. just like the rest of us, they're human. i do not envy the situations they get put in, nor do i ever want to have to make the decision to shoot someone.
patgizz wrote:
Supposedly there are 600+ hotel rooms that have been occupied by or booked by outside instigators since the trial went to the decision making process.
Only heard reports from one news agency about 'outsiders' coming to town following the several recent protests across the country. The rest of mainstream news media appeared to ignore it.
From the time the cop arrived and shot the kid was 2 seconds. I've given afghans more time to berkeley it up for themselves when I give them commands.
The ROE for encountering young black kids vs actual terrorist and enemies is pretty E36 M3ty to me.
