spitfirebill wrote: What about cops who go get video tapes from stores that have been robbed to help ID the culprit. Seems to me a lot of crooks are going to get off. The cops are participating in an illegal wiretapping case, because the store is recording everybody that comes in. Few ever post a sign stating they are doing so.
Not that I agree with the laws at all, but most of them deal with the audio portion of the recording. Most convenience store cameras don't record sound.
pinchvalve wrote: And I wish there was audio. Some guy cuts me off and pulls a gun, I am shooting first and asking questions later. (and by shooting I mean pooping myself) Did he have lights or a siren, did he identify himself as an officer, and if so, why would I believe him? Why not flash a badge instead of a gun? Good way to get yourself shot or run over.
I watched the original clip with sound before it was taken down. The guy gets out of the car, gun drawn, and says, "Get off the motorcycle. Get off the motorcycle! Maryland State Police!" Yeah, it takes him a while to identify himself as a cop. The guy could've thought he was getting... er... bikejacked? But once the cop identifies himself as a cop, the rider complies.
I was going to construct a metaphor about how the the police cannot control the spread of information on the internet, but the Simpsons did it for me:
Itchy and Scratchy: Scratchatasia
The notion of "have a good experience, tell one person, have a bad experience, tell ten people" is very outdated; a bad experience can reach hundreds of thousands. Because much of the police leadership is elected, can they afford such bad press?
Speaking only for myself, I am not missing the point. I agree with you completely.
I do not think you will find the GRMS board receptive to your thinking though. Look at what the board members were saying back during the 9/11 inspired patriot act creation era. Any individual who dared question it got tossed on the pyre to be flamed. God help them if they mentioned they preferred freedom and liberty to safety or thought Constitutional limits should be adhered to.
I saw that a little while ago. It burns me up to think that cops have an expectation of privacy in public. I sure don't.
Since the Great Boogeyman, aka terrorists, was invented we've seen nothing but an erosion of civil rights.
Talk like this will find us all in room 101 eventually.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11992 The government wants us to fear morons.
In reply to foxtrapper:
didn't you know? the constitution is an old outdated and obsolete document. the government need not have limitations placed upon it, for it only has your best interests in mind. please proceed through door B for rehabilitation.
...next in line, window 4!
the only way to fight this is to make municipalities that try to use this tactic famous.
The guy who filmed Rodney King would be in jail right beside him.
pilotbraden wrote: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11992 The government wants us to fear morons.
Reminds me of a comment I heard regarding the Soviets during the cold war. Went something to the effect that: it doesn't make sense that their government system is deeply flawed and will soon collapse under its own weight... and that they have their act together so well that they are a huge threat that will quickly wipe us out if we don't throw everything we can at them. It had to be one or the other, and, not surprisingly, it turned out their system was in fact flawed and did collapse under its own weight.
Article in popular mechanics about this issue.
good article by PM. As somebody who does video for a living. Basically, if you are taking pictures for your own use, you do not need release forms. If you are doing it for any sort of project that will be shown to others or to make money, you need those forms.
As I work in casinos with more cameras per square inch than anywhere else in the US.. privacy is not expected and I have carte blanche
Xceler8x wrote: Article in popular mechanics about this issue. Taking Photos In Public Places Is Not A Crime: Analysis
Good read. Thanks for posting it up.
Xceler8x wrote: Article in popular mechanics about this issue. Taking Photos In Public Places Is Not A Crime: Analysis
Wow, that really was a good article. Not at all what I'd expect from PM.
Sanity prevailed, this time.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/09/27/2244216/Motorcyclist-Wins-Taping-Case-Against-State-Police
THEY said: 'The judge ruled that Maryland's wire tap law allows recording of both voice and sound in areas where privacy cannot be expected. He ruled that a police officer on a traffic stop has no expectation of privacy.'
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Linky Growing Number of Prosecutions for Videotaping the Police Prosecutions Draw Attention to Influence of Witness Videos By RAY SANCHEZ July 19, 2010 -- taken with his helmet camera -- of a plainclothes state trooper cutting him off and drawing a gun during the traffic stop near Baltimore. [more in linked story]
I watched all 48 seconds of it, at what point did the cop identify himself as a cop? Some pinhead with a 45 and a Malibu hops out and I'm supposed to believe he's not some crazed wannabe?
Where's the Badge?
wonder why theres no update on ABCs website?
4cylndrfury wrote: wonder why theres no update on ABCs website?
Becuase there is a new season of Dancing with the (so-called) Stars, celebrity Survivior, Glee is doing Britney and football season has started. Who cares about your rights when that is happening.
Also in Md, whilst this little twat probably deserved to be arrested, the beating was a trifle uncalled for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajR6Fga8tsw
the student was originally charged until the video came out, then at least one cop was suspended. Maybe we should all carry flip video cameras?
wife has one and its usually on her - charges from any usb port...which my new Terrain is just so equipped with...Thanks GMC!!
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nutherjrfan wrote: Also in Md, whilst this little twat probably deserved to be arrested, the beating was a trifle uncalled for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajR6Fga8tsw the student was originally charged until the video came out, then at least one cop was suspended. Maybe we should all carry flip video cameras?
A suspension is code for "Nice work... now just settle down until this blows over". If you want to keep thugs off the police force you have to punish thuggery. They should have been charged with felony assault and battery. If a group of fellow students showed the same lack of personal restraint and opened a can of whoop-ass on 3 cops who were unjustly beating a man ... there would be hell to pay. THey would certainly get more than "suspended".
nutherjrfan wrote: Also in Md, whilst this little twat probably deserved to be arrested, the beating was a trifle uncalled for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajR6Fga8tsw the student was originally charged until the video came out, then at least one cop was suspended. Maybe we should all carry flip video cameras?
What was the context of that video? Why were the cops in riot gear? It looked bad but what was going on around there at that time? Inquiring minds want to know.
Kia_racer wrote:nutherjrfan wrote: Also in Md, whilst this little twat probably deserved to be arrested, the beating was a trifle uncalled for. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajR6Fga8tsw the student was originally charged until the video came out, then at least one cop was suspended. Maybe we should all carry flip video cameras?What was the context of that video? Why were the cops in riot gear? It looked bad but what was going on around there at that time? Inquiring minds want to know.
Students were reveling in the streets after a basketball game. Cops were anticipating some over-the-top antics and came dressed-to-kill.
Also, IIRC, there are accusations the videotape was edited before it was presented as evidence - and law enforcement did the editing.
I'm a big supporter of the police, they have done me right a lot of times over the years. But to tell me I can't videotape a cop in a public place, regardless of whether they are arresting me or some crackhead or ?? is just plain wrong. I'm glad common sense prevailed.
Now as to the dumbass playing sportbike jerk in traffic: I don't think I'd have shed too many tears had you run into the cop. Don't think that recording the cop gives you an automatic Get Out Of Jail Free card. If I were on the jury, I'd throw the book at your stupid ass.
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